[yse]

I propose an alternate solution.

Rolken mentioned that the ring bonus continued to count rings even when your cap expired. Therefore if you had a 1500 time bonus and a x2 multiplier, you could prove that you were holding 500 rings despite what your cap tells you.

This seems to be the only feasible solution short of removing the chart entirely.

[Rolken]

That's still not the case. There's skills that give you rings that aren't counted in the bonus, and skills that drain rings while not lowering the bonus. Plus we'd be forcing people to beat the level without getting hit once, which is a bit over the top when real RA would only penalize you 10 rings per hit.

I've thought of a third solution that seems attractive to me: luckhax a perfect lv99 Sonic and then distribute that save file to everyone else via SD card. We can even swap off duties every 10 levels or something so no one person has to spend 50 hours levelling. The only downside I see to that solution is that people will have to have SD cards to be competitive, but you can pick one up for $10 these days so it doesn't seem too much of a burden.

The ring cap additions seem to vary between 3 and 7 from anecdotal recollection, so it shouldn't be that monumental of a task to achieve.

[Rolken]

Also, if we were to go for skill limitations, 300 is a terrifically low number; I have 477 at lv76. And no/preset skills is silly.

According to my calculations, all skills that're valuable at lv99 (ie, no experience or exclusive skills) together cost 626 points; using 'drawback versions', 575 points. If you assume hit-free runs, you can lop off skills worth 51 (41 drawback) points, but ring chain runs also require an experience skill costing 30 points. All in all, it may end up being a nonissue, especially if further skills are deemed useless. If people are hitting lv99 circa 500 points they might be feeling the pinch, but I'm not sure how probable that is.

I'm inclined to just throw out RA and call it a day, at least until we get some kind of consensus on it.

[Rolken]

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LP1  T - - - (Goal)
LP2  T - - - (Goal)
LP3  T - - - (Goal)
LP4  T - - - (10 Enemies)
LP5  T - - - (Goal)
LP6  T - - - (25 Rings)
LP7  T - - - (Goal)
LP8  T - - - (Goal)
LP9  T - - - (Goal)
LP10 T - - - (Goal)
LP11 T - - - (3 Enemies)
LP12 T - - - (3 Enemies)
LP13 T - - - (20 Boxes)
LP14 T - - - (Down Cancel)
LP15 T - - - (10 Rings)
LP16 T - - - (Goal)
LP17 T - - - (Goal)
LP18 T - - - (Goal)
LP19 T - - - (Goal)
LP20 T S C R (90 Seconds)
LP21 T S C R (90 Seconds)

SO1  T S C R (Goal)
SO2  T S * R (Diehard)
SO3  T S C R (Race)
SO4  T S C R (No Pearls)
SO5  T S C R (No Jars)
SO6  T S C R (Diehard)
SO7  T S C R (120 Seconds)
SO8  T S C R (Perfect)
SO9  T - C - (5 Jars) Loop
SO10 T - C - (99 Rings) Loop
SO11 T - C - (20 Enemies) Loop
SO12 T - C - (60 Chain) Loop
SOB  T - - - (Sand Scorpion)

DJ1  T S C R (Goal)
DJ2  T S C R (Diehard)
DJ3  T S C - (99 Rings)
DJ4  T S * R (Perfect)
DJ5  T - C - (10 Enemies) Loop
DJ6  T S C R (0 Enemies)
DJ7  T S C R (Race)
DJ8  T S C R (30 Combo)
DJ9  T S C R (5 Eggs) Semiloop
DJ10 T S C R (Egg Nests) Semiloop
DJ11 T S C - (99 Rings)
DJ12 T S C R (No Pearls)

EF1  T S C R (Goal)
EF2  T S C R (Diehard)
EF3  T - C R (0 Rings)
EF4  T * * * (Race)
EF5  T S C R (Timed)
EF6  T S C R (0 Enemies)
EF7  T - C R (0 Rings)
EF8  T S - R (Perfect)
EF9  T S C R (20 Enemies)
EF10 T - C R (99 Rings)
EF11 T S - R (Perfect)
EF12 T S C R (50 Chain)
EFB  T - - - (Ifrit)

LR1  T S C R (Goal)
LR2  T - - - (1 Enemy)
LR3  T S C R (Race)
LR4  T S - - (Perfect)
LR5  T S C R (Cage)
LR6  T - - - (Diehard)
LR7  T S C - (0 Rings)
LR8  T S - - (Perfect)
LR9  T S C R (20 Enemies) Semiloop
LR10 T S C R (90 Seconds)
LR11 T S C - (80 Rings)
LR12 T - - - (No Pearls)

PS1  T S C R (Goal)
PS2  T S C R (Race)
PS3  T S C R (100 Rings)
PS4  T S C R (No Pearls)
PS5  T - C - (20 Enemies) Loop
PS6  T S C R (0 Rings)
PS7  T S C R (100 Seconds)
PS8  T S C R (100 Combo)
PS9  T S C R (Diehard)
PS10 T S C R (0 Enemies)
PS11 T S C R (10 Rings)
PS12 T S C R (Perfect)
PSB  T - - - (Captain Bemoth)

SB1  T S C R (Goal) Semiloop
SB2  T S C - (0 Rings)
SB3  T S C R (Race)
SB4  T S * R (Perfect)
SB5  T S C R (40 Enemies) Semiloop
SB6  T S C R (Diehard)
SB7  T S C R (45 Seconds)
SB8  T S * R (No Pearls)
SB9  T S C R (King's Bones) Semiloop
SB10 T S C R (15 Enemies)
SB11 T S C - (50 Rings)
SB12 T S C R (50 Chain)

NP1  T S C R (Goal)
NP2  T S C R (Race)
NP3  T S C - (0 Rings)
NP4  T S C * (No Pearls)
NP5  T S C R (20 Enemies)
NP6  T S C R (0 Enemies)
NP7  T S C - (100 Rings)
NP8  T S C R (100 Combo)
NP9  T S C R (Diehard)
NP10 T S C - (0 Rings)
NP11 T S C R (90 Seconds)
NP12 T S * * (Perfect)
NPB1 T - - - (Erazor)
NPB2 T - - - (Final)

I haven't actually played through the LP levels so maybe there's some stray rings in there, but I'm ignoring RA for now so it doesn't matter anyway. The rest is going up.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Nice organizing. Be sure to not forget about Party Mode. :D

Oh, 49.99 is the current price tag for the game. I'm thinking of getting SSX Blur isntead (same tag) so maybe I'll get SatSR at 29.99 or 39.99 or something... We'll see.. ;)

[Stardust Speedman]

Can you estimate what the minimum ring-cap will be for a level 99 player? If it's, for example, 500, are there actually any missions where you can get 500 rings? If not, then what's the problem? Wether your ring-cap is at 500 or at 999, if you never can collect more than 500 rings in a mission anyway, then it doesn't matter. If there are any missions where you can get more rings than the minimum ring-cap at level 99, then just exclude those missions.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Re-examined list.

Removed: Hit it! Parasol Ball, Grab It! Kri Ma Djinn.
Not so sure about: Reel! Battle Fishing, Shine on! Kri Ma Djinn and Get 'em! Parasol Diving. I'm thinking they could be removed for various reasons.

1. Roll it! Heavy Ball
3. Spin! Cogwheel Relay
4. Go! Mine Cart Race
6. Get 'em! Parasol Diving
9. Grab It! Bubble Hunt
11. Whack! Giant Stakes
12. Row! Canoe Race
13. Row! Canoe Salvage
15. Shine on! Kri Ma Djinn
18. Seek! Edge Race!
19. Spill! Weight Puzzle
21. Spin! Safe Dial
22. Aim! Big Crossbow!
23. Aim! Color Balloon
24. Whack! Hatchet!
26. Pull on it! Carpet
27. Look up! Skydiving
28. Sink 'em! Pirate Ship
29. Reel! Battle Fishing
31. Cross! Balance Race
32. Put it out! Big Fire
33. Fly! Ptero-Rider
34. Spin! Propeller Race
36. Play! Violin
39. Hold It! Treasure Haul

edit: I'm thinking maybe Final X Adventure should be added as well... Thoughts?

Oh and ST brings out a good point. I'm pretty sure (after watching my vid many times) that Sand Oasis(1) does not have more than 500 rings but I could be wrong. You should try to look through the missions, particularly the Goal Missions.

[Ring Rush]

RA doesn't matter that much. SA is pretty much the same thing as RAing due to the lack of a time bonus> And if you really want to just collect rings and not defeat enemies, than do CAing.

[Stardust Speedman]

Ring Rush is actually right. There is actually really no need to have a RA-section. Anyways, I have two questions which might be a little bit off, but I really need to ask:

1. What are Fire Souls for? I collected all three in a mission and nothing happened.

2. How to skills work that boost your experience? For example, I have a skill which is supposed to boost my experience when sliding. Does that mean that the more I slide during a mission (even for no reason) the more points (a higher score) I get at the end of a mission?

[Rick_242]

Ring Rush is actually right. There is actually really no need to have a RA-section. Anyways, I have two questions which might be a little bit off, but I really need to ask:

1. What are Fire Souls for? I collected all three in a mission and nothing happened.

2. How to skills work that boost your experience? For example, I have a skill which is supposed to boost my experience when sliding. Does that mean that the more I slide during a mission (even for no reason) the more points (a higher score) I get at the end of a mission?

1. Unlocking characters for paty mode like *SPOILER* Shadow, Cream, Silver, and Blaze.*END SPOILER*

2. I guess. I don't really like using them so I don't know much.

[Ring Rush]

You gain more XP, but not more score.

[Stardust Speedman]

Thank you very much, guys! Do you know, if only Shadow, Cream, Silver and Blaze are unlockable or if there are more characters to unlock, like Rouge, for example?

[DaDude]

^^ Uhh... spoilers?

Anyway, I'm afraid the four characters you unlock are all you get.

[Stardust Speedman]

Oh, thats sad. Rouge is probably too sexy for this game. XD BTW, you can already see by the silouettes who the four unlockable characters are and everyone knows it already anyway, so, I wouldn't call this spoiling. ~^

[KnucklesSonic8]

Just in case, Rolken, you need to see something... This was taken, though, before I unlocked a lot of Party Mode stuff but still..

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8520298671361994155&hl=en-CA

I'm surprised no discussion is going on..