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WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« on: November 17, 2011, 06:23:28 pm »
well watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfrxel2xvus when it was first uploaded I somewhat suspicious when watching this because it looks "Perfect" and not that son1cgu1tar kind of perfect where you know it was done at real time and they are just really awesome at the game, no its looks took assisted, at the time I had no way of knowing if this was TAS'ed or not, but now it seems I do.

today when I was looking up wersterlobes youtube channel I found this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJRy7BbXiI that shows that at the end of almost if not all of wersterlobes videos it says "movie end" now if the genesis emulator hes using is like every other TAS emulator I've ever used it will say "movie end" when its done playing the movie file, for dolphin its .DTM, for mupen its .m64, for the genesis emulator hes using I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't really matter what the files called because that's not relevant, what is relevant is that werster has been posting videos on youtube that sure as hell seem to be TAS
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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 06:25:27 pm »
lol

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 06:25:51 pm »
werster is just really damn good. he plays on emulator, but that doesn't mean he TASes.

either way it doesn't matter for TSC since he's banned anyway (though that's for BSing, not for TASing)

Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 06:30:22 pm »
Then why does it say "movie end" that means it was playing movie file such as a DTM on dolphin, why would he do that unless hes using save states and doesn't want to edit them out, because I movie file "edits" them out for you

and just save stateing and not using slow down is still TASing >_>
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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 06:31:47 pm »
Believe it or not, you can record movie files without using save states or slowdown. I know, it's an amazing concept.

And as already mentioned, he's banned from submissions. Why do you care?

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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 06:32:41 pm »
because it's a pain in the ass to record a video every time when you don't know whether you're going to get a good run yet when you can just press one or two buttons to start a new recording with the emulator? and because he posts the emulator movies on the forums?

seriously, if he was really trying to hide it why the hell would he keep the "movie end" in there? he could easily just keep recording until the screen fades out.

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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 06:33:17 pm »
...this topic has so much nonsense in it that for a second there, I thought I was going to collapse before I could finish reading it.

First of all, wersterlobe does not and cannot submit to TSC. If he uses TAS, it has absolutely no effect on us, except that it shows us a potential strategy for making runs that we can submit. Second of all, he's using a .gmv movie (key input) file because the easiest way to record a run for YouTube in a Genesis emulator is to use Gens Rerecording (formerly Gens Movie) or Gens+, which in turn allows one to play back a key input file and record it to an actual movie. Instead of making actual video of bad runs and eating up gigabytes of his hard drive, he creates smaller key input files, gets a good run, then plays the key input and records it to video.

I want an explanation as to why you're accusing him of TASing and what effect it has on you. If your explanation is "well the emulator is capable of it, so he must be doing it", then I'm going to start demanding proof of every stat you submit! It's only logical, right? I mean, you might just be posting random numbers and calling them stats instead of earning them the hard way! You're certainly capable of lying, so you must be doing it!
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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 06:44:41 pm »
I'm not going to argue with you, we all know its just going to lead to me getting banned for speaking my mind, if you noticed I never really said that he IS TASing I said it seems like it, and I felt that I should bring this to everyone's attention.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 06:46:15 pm »
... if anything you would get banned for being stupid, but that won't happen either

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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 06:47:08 pm »
I'm not asking you to argue. I'm asking why it matters that he's TASing when he can't submit to TSC anyway, and why it "seems" to be so. Read my sig for a quote from one of our members as to why we're reacting as we are.
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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2011, 07:27:38 pm »
His videos may look like it but they are not. He's that fucking good at the classic Sonic games. But then again why are you asking this anyway to began with.
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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2014, 09:39:38 pm »
I really hate to necromance, but I feel like I missed an opportunity by overlooking this thread.

A lot of people have the wrong idea about werster.

Can he be the biggest jerk in the fucking world sometimes? Yes! Has he BS'd before? Yes! Has he TAS-ed before? Who cares? Does he get in really messed up relationships with women? Yes!

Does he deserve to be completely exiled from socializing with other TSCers? Absolutely not. This guy, for all his faults and failures, outputs not just sparks of imagination, but gigawatts of them. And for someone like me who is similarly creative, we have had brainstorming sessions that have completely reshaped the Genesis era forever.

Too bad he only does full length speedruns now instead of ILs.

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Re: WersterLobe uses TAS? (Proof?)
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2014, 08:11:45 am »
First of all, he still does a lot of IL's on his youtube if you've missed that.

Secondly, I have to agree with the notion that the mods brought up 3 years ago. Werster has little to nothing with this site to do anymore and I remember I didn't make any threads about that one guy from SDA that claimed the Sonic 1 WR with a TASed run because what would be the point? I did however warn Flying Fox about him if she saw him submit any stats.

thirdly, what do you even mean with "exiled from socialising with other TSCers"? If he wants to skype with someone that's a member of TSC, what jurisdiction does TSC have to say that they can't? Even if he WAS banned from posting in the forums, he certainly wouldn't be banned from the internet.

fourthly, itsPersonnal never said anything about exiling anyone. He brought up concerns that this popular speedrunner on twitch and youtube might be TASing, because he makes no effort to try and prove that he isn't. And considering his history, it's not inconceivable that he would be. So who cares? Well he's more or less famous so a significant amount of the speedrunning fanbase put their faith in his record. Also, he have records, lots of them. We can talk about TSC records and leave it there but if he cheats in a SS run then he would hurt the game and the community as a whole and that is a problem in my opinion.

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