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Sonic Central => Leaderboard Disputes => Topic started by: Firstkirbyever on January 19, 2009, 11:08:33 am
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his WI:D2 Score (Windmill isle Day 2) Has 200K yet The Old Record by paraxade has only 166K
there is no way to get 200K without Score Scalping (See Here) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cg1QFdHREU) or by using the Time Glitch Which Results in a time of 00:00:00 and a huge Time Bonus,
I would like to See some Proof, or i would like you to explain how you got this Score.
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Yeah i noticed how odd that is, There is just no way to get 200k, there isnt enough qtes, and enemys, aqnd rings
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I pointed this out to Paraxade a couple of days ago on MSN and he sent a PM to Samourai23. I spoke to Paraxade about it again last night and he hadn't heard anything back yet. I was going to make a topic about this tomorrow to give him more time since TSC doesn't make it obvious that you have a PM but looks like you beat me to it.
I know I haven't SAed it yet but even I could see that something was wrong. 40K more than the pros in WI2 is... well it doesn't look right.
Ok I know there are no rules in SU so he probably did point scalp by either the trick ramp or the goal ring glitch and he thought it would be fine. However we did discuss about this in another topic and said that both were wrong and come to the conclusion that they shouldn't be used. I don't think he was around at the time of this discussion. But...
Common sense applies in all games. If something seems iffy, you probably shouldn't be doing it. Or at least check with someone before you do.
If he did do this he should've checked with someone.
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Stat is suspended until this gets worked out~
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...okay, so he just posted another 217k score with picture proof. So it's not BS, but probably uses the infinite score trick. >_> Sent him another PM, and if he still doesn't give us a response we're going to need some way to get his attention.
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...okay, so he just posted another 217k score with picture proof. So it's not BS, but probably uses the infinite score trick. >_> Sent him another PM, and if he still doesn't give us a response we're going to need some way to get his attention.
i know a way, spam him :P
naw just kidding, but that is most likely fake, but we need to ask him for video proof >_>
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ooookay everybody, I didn't know that trick wasn't allowed, so sorry about that, I will erase that cheaty score, and try to do another :)
And don't you think I'm a bastard ok ? I just didn't know ;)
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Yeah, we don't allow that stuff because then competition is reduced to who sits at the console the longest. Looks like all's resolved here, then.
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Yeah, we don't allow that stuff because then competition is reduced to who sits at the console the longest. Looks like all's resolved here, then.
*cough* Hot Shelter Gamma *cough*
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Hot Shelter Gamma at least requires skill post maxing the timer, its not just a case of sit and do a trick over and over until youve beaten the score of the guy who bothered to do it the longest and then finish the level however you please
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HS-G is freestyle, anyway.
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Hey samourai23, did you seriously just get all 3 Westopolis time records in Shadow? Well, all those times are possible but you have me a bit surprised at Normal. Do you have a camera to display these? If you don't have a camera then that's fine, but I would like your word that these are legit.
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Hey samourai23, did you seriously just get all 3 Westopolis time records in Shadow? Well, all those times are possible but you have me a bit surprised at Normal. Do you have a camera to display these? If you don't have a camera then that's fine, but I would like your word that these are legit.
I had a feeling those were a tad fishy (especially Normal, since nobody had come anywhere near yoshifan in the 3 years the stat's been on the site). I'd like to see some proof, too.
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This is my question for samourai23. How long did it take to achieve these records? Usually it takes a while to get a record. For me, I always was ripped off by the ship in lethal highway before I tied the record. It took me a probably about an hour's worth of trying to get the record, but only cause I knew the stategy. On a record you usually move up TSC standings. Those times look possible, however, I had never heard of this guy; and now on his first try he gets the three records. I don't think it's possible.
CyberShadow
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It would probably take me years to beat yoshifan,but I acctually doubt samourai was able to beat yoshifan.
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Ok, first of all, I have no camera, but I can take photo if that's enough.
Then, during 2006 and 2007, I was crazy about this game, I played it 8-10 hours per day, I didn't know any "record site" but I did these record by myself during these years, my game time have to be 7000 h now xD
I'm a master at this game, I know it's hard to admit, but if you want photos I can give you some, but sorry, I can't do a video :(
"I had never heard of this guy; and now on his first try he gets the three records"*
Read the comments on my scores -_-, I told you these times are ALREADY done ! Years ago !
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For the record, from samourai23's profile it appears that English is probably his second language. Carrying on...
Yeah, I think some shots would be in order with that slew of Shadow domination. Hopefully that'll suffice. If anyone wants to help verify that there's no AR codes for changing stats on the memory card, I'd appreciate it.
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Codes ? Everybody knows that there isn't any code for sonic games since the MegaDrive... -_-
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I doubt that you have anything to worry about on that front. Action Replay is an external device that theoretically could cheat up some stats. I've never found anything that actually does that, though. It just pays to be thorough.
As far as particular stats to take pictures of... how about Mad Matrix dark and The Doom normal? If anyone else has any particular stats in question before he takes the shots, you can name a few, but keep the total between 3-5 please (including mine).
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Rolken dit que il y a des codes pour l'Action Replay, une programme externe qu'on utilise pour... err... "cheater" dans des jeux video.
...Mon Français n'est pas tres bon, excuses-moi.
EDIT. Zut, Rolken a eté trop vite!
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http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/shadow_the_hedgehog/times/the_ark/normal
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/shadow_the_hedgehog/times/sky_troops/dark
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/shadow_the_hedgehog/times/mad_matrix/dark
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/shadow_the_hedgehog/times/the_doom/normal
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/shadow_the_hedgehog/times/black_comet/dark
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Rolken dit que il y a des codes pour l'Action Replay, une programme externe qu'on utilise pour... err... "cheater" dans des jeux video.
...Mon Français n'est pas tres bon, excuses-moi.
EDIT. Zut, Rolken a eté trop vite!
Und wieso auf Französisch? Nicht zu vergessen, dass man das einfach in Google Translator eigeben kann... <_<
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Rolken, I will post photo tomorrow or in the week that is coming, since I'm a bit busy now (examens...)
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Rolken dit que il y a des codes pour l'Action Replay, une programme externe qu'on utilise pour... err... "cheater" dans des jeux video.
...Mon Français n'est pas tres bon, excuses-moi.
EDIT. Zut, Rolken a eté trop vite!
Und wieso auf Französisch? Nicht zu vergessen, dass man das einfach in Google Translator eigeben kann... <_<
Google Translator hat nunmal die negative Eigenschaft, kompletten Unsinn zu produzieren. Wobei das in der tat vor allem auf asiatische Sprachen zutrifft.
Aber dennoch! Google Translator ist für Weicheier und richtige Männer übersetzen selber wenn sie eine Sprache beherrschen!
Übrigens habe ich in Französisch geschrieben, weil samourai23 hier eine auf .frz endende E-mail-Adresse hat.
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Alright, it's all good.
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While I wait for the images, I have a brief question.
For the Hero mission of "Lethal Highway", when did you find out about the trick to obtaining 8.44 seconds?
please let it be before November 2006
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Listen dude, I didn't play this game since 2007, I'm not a master anymore, I was before, but no more now. I have my records, since they are on my memory card, but I don't really remember the tricks I used in every levels. This game was still in dust 2 days ago, I played it today just to put my records, so sorry but I don't remember how I did.
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I didn't ask you about how the trick is done, since I know about it (and I was the first one, to everyone's knowledge, to use the trick the way it is performed for the level). I asked you about when you found it. As in, what year, at minimum, did you find it?
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Are you sure you don't remember any of your strategies? Because I (now) want to re-do ALL my times, but especially The Doom: Dark (I haven't subbed 3 Mins yet). Do you remember how you did that, and can you help me with it? Well, I guess I'll believe all these when I see them. Thanks.
Edit #1: I did deserve some competition, but all you did was mass-submit times from whenever. Dare I say this, but what are your scores, rings, and bosses like? Well, I better get cracking soon.
Edit #2: Another (dumb) question. What console (GC, PS2, XBox) did you play on?
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Groudon -> 2006 I presume...
OmegaDJ -> I know it can seem odd that a guy coming from nowhere beat most of the super records, you and yoshifan performed, but I swear everything is real, I didn't use this AR thing, or anything else, I just was crazy about this game^^ But no more now, so if you manage to beat me, you can be sure that I won't be beat by me lol because I played this game enough for my whole life xD
I have it on GC, and for the scores/rings and bosses challenge, you're just making me realize that I never try to do a record for these O_O And I guess I won't lol, and once again, sorry but I don't remember the strat for the doom, nor for other level, I just remember that it took me a while before I sub 3 min lol
Edit: Sorry, it's for the Hero mission of the doom that it took me a while, and it was to sub 2 min
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Hot Shelter Gamma at least requires skill post maxing the timer, its not just a case of sit and do a trick over and over until youve beaten the score of the guy who bothered to do it the longest and then finish the level however you please
Not to mention it's no longer an allowable technique...
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Oh of course, I was just pointing out that the comparison was different
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If at one time you knew the strat for all these levels, surely you can relearn them. Can you relearn and give the strategy for a level that doesn't currently have a video?
This would really help a lot of us believe your times, especially since pictures can be faked.
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Listen everything you're saying is cute, but YOU, would you really force you to play a game you no longer want to play just to relearn something you don't want, and all that ONLY to prove that what you're saying is true ?
Well, I don't think ! Also I will post photo and if you still don't believe me, then erase my scores, I will find this idiot, and selfish, but if you can't believe me, then too bad !
But I won't play this game just to relearn everything, and even if I still knew the strat I used, I wouldn't say every of them for EVERY levels ! You are crazy :O :O
And if you think I can modify photos, then when I'll take them we'll do a test, it takes time to modify a photo. So ONE PERSON can add me on msn, ask me for a specific photo, with a sign of it, like a finger, or anything else, and I will give him fast, so I would prove it's not a fake since I wouldn't have the time to fake them.
But I repeat: I won't take photos before a week since I am busy with exams.
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Listen everything you're saying is cute, but YOU, would you really force you to play a game you no longer want to play just to relearn something you don't want, and all that ONLY to prove that what you're saying is true ?
yes.
and if you still don't believe me, then erase my scores, I will find this idiot, and selfish, but if you can't believe me, then too bad !
well if we have reason to think they're not legit then there's nothing idiotic or selfish about deleting them, especially when they're topping the charts and beating incredible players that we KNOW are legit.
But I won't play this game just to relearn everything, and even if I still knew the strat I used, I wouldn't say every of them fro EVERY levels ! You are crazy :O :O
Yeah, but don't you remember any of them at all? Not even one strat?
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You are just making yourself look more and more suspicious.
Personally, I'd be fine posting strategies to prove I'm legitimate. Why? Because this is the internet and we can't always just take what people say on honesty.
You may very well be telling the truth. I applaud you if you are. But as of now you are being very dodgy, making up excuses when asked for strategies, and its hard to trust you.
We aren't asking you for the strat for every level. Just a few to confirm your truthfullness.
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Listen, next week, exams will be gone. And I added paraxade on msn, so next week, he will ask me on msn to do a specific photo with a sign on it, and I will give him immediately, just to prove that all I said before is true (changing photos takes time, but doing one, and giving it on msn takes 1 minute, not enough to modify a photo :) )
I'm sorry, but that's all I can't do, I didn't play this game for 1,5 years now, and I did others things played others games, and I'm as surprised as you that I forgot all the strategies, but it's not my fault :o
My solution is the only one, I can give to you.
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Listen everything you're saying is cute, but YOU, would you really force you to play a game you no longer want to play just to relearn something you don't want, and all that ONLY to prove that what you're saying is true ?
yes.
Haha ! You make me laugh !
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Because I'm a legitimate player and it's good to have people know that.
I don't put time into competition just to have it wasted when people don't believe me.
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Cut it out (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3282.0).
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Eer what ?
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Anyway, here are some shots:
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p310109213201cp3.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3101092132fd8.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3101092134vh9.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p310109213401ng7.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3101092135jp9.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p310109213501ck9.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p310109213502eb4.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3101092138ds8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3101092139bf7.jpg
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Admirable photoshop work, but the time bonus alone for your record on Lethal Highway Hero gives a higher score than your shot reports as your top score. But since I'm nothing if not inclusive, if you want to be reinstated, I'll leave you the opportunity of demonstrating how you get a lower score while beating the level in 8 seconds. Maybe you don't remember it, but since the level is so short, it should be easy to figure out, right?
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Admirable photoshop work, but the time bonus alone for your record on Lethal Highway Hero gives a higher score than your shot reports as your top score. But since I'm nothing if not inclusive, if you want to be reinstated, I'll leave you the opportunity of demonstrating how you get a lower score while beating the level in 8 seconds. Maybe you don't remember it, but since the level is so short, it should be easy to figure out, right?
Indeed it is easy to figure out, Rolken.
Although that time will net you a 50k time bonus, take into account that this is the Hero mission. Doing anything to add to your Dark score will lower your final score. The way this looks, he managed to defeat a GUN soldier before the timer stopped on his last life.
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aren't gun soldiers 150 pts though?
plus in the vid, it doesn't look like you could take out one before the level ends.
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aren't gun soldiers 150 pts though?
plus in the vid, it doesn't look like you could take out one before the level ends.
Before you even gain control of Shadow, you are boosted on a path that collects 4 rings, adding 40 points to your Normal score.
Looking at the vid, you pass a GUN soldier just before delivering the final blow. I guess it would be somehow possible to quickly turn around after jumping and attack the soldier, but I don't know how much leeway you'd have.
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But why would you intentionally do that, Groudon?
Also, this whole thing proves that his score may be possible.
However, how likely is it that it is his -best- score? To get a score under 50k, as your best score, that means, on his first ever attempt at the strategy, he needed to pull an 8:44, while, at the same time, pulling off a difficult maneuver to kill an enemy. If he didn't get 8.44 the first time, he would have had to keep replaying the level until he did. I find it even more unlikely that he was able to get under 50,000 on -EVERY ONE- of his playthroughs, something that seems unpractical to do even once. Had he, just once, tried the strategy and not killed the solider, his score would have been over 50,000.
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But why would you intentionally do that, Groudon?
Also, this whole thing proves that his score may be possible.
However, how likely is it that it is his -best- score? To get a score under 50k, as your best score, that means, on his first ever attempt at the strategy, he needed to pull an 8:44, while, at the same time, pulling off a difficult maneuver to kill an enemy. If he didn't get 8.44 the first time, he would have had to keep replaying the level until he did. I find it even more unlikely that he was able to get under 50,000 on -EVERY ONE- of his playthroughs, something that seems unpractical to do even once. Had he, just once, tried the strategy and not killed the solider, his score would have been over 50,000.
While I have no idea why you'd want to do that, it's entirely possible that he's gotten over 50k before. The game doesn't save until after the results screen fades out, so if he wanted to, he could have reset his console before the screen faded. Again, why he would want to do that, I cannot answer.
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Thnaks for the pics Samourai. Your times are possible, but some scores seem to be a little exaggerated with what your time results are. Is this why you didn't submit your scores? Or did you photoshop these like Rolken said? >_>
Also, whether your times are legal or you hacked your game, thank you for submitting them. You (dare I say it again) motivated me to jurastically improve my times. It actually makes me sad that all your times are erased ( for the time being, unless you were BSing the whole time), because I'm going to miss the motivation. Please explain the scores like Rolken said and hopefully I can be motivated again. >_>
There are some scores I find more inexplicable than LH-Hero:
Final Haunt: Dark (it's 41k when a time bonus of 2:45 would give you about 36k, and there is no way he got 5000 Dark points because why would you heal the aliens?)
Westopolis: Normal (it's 50040, how can this be when the first 5 rings in the level are automatically collected and you'd have 50050)
There are more inexplicable scores, but I don't want to have to make a long list.
Perhaps he used the Heal Cannon GUN Soldier Score Glitch for some of these, which wouldn't be allowed but he at least didn't submit his scores anyway.
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Westopolis: Normal (it's 50040, how can this be when the first 5 rings in the level are automatically collected and you'd have 50050)
Death is the only possible reason, but dying on that level does far more harm than good.
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Admirable photoshop work[...]
That's not photoshopped. I zoomed in up to 3600% and saw absolutely no flaw. You'd have like to...have created photoshop yourself to make such perfect pics, and that even from a nowhere near perfect origin picture quality.
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Yeah, we established it's not photoshopped... I think the potential issue is hacking the times in.
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Guys, by telling him how he could conceivably get that score, you're just making my life more difficult. Sheesh...
edit: not that I think the presented options are viable for the reasons Stefan pointed out. But if you have a concern, point it out in chat or PM, not here.
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For Westopolis, maybe I got hit, dunno... :(
And I admit that hacking could be a possibility and I can't prove I didn't, that's true... Also, I don't know about my scores, all can say is: Weird oO
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Alright, I think we're done here. Sorry I had to deprive you of motivation, Omega.
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Wait up, I didn't say I cheated ! I said I couldn't prove I didn't, that is NOT the same !
My times and scores are real, I'm telling it to you, and you don't believe me, ok, then erase them, I don't care, I no longer play this game, and it no longer interest me.
But please, don't erase my sonic unleashed times, I love this game, they are real too, and I worked so hard to get the 3rd place on wid2, so please let me submit my SU scores at least... What you are doing is UNFAIR !!
What proof do you have that my ShTH scores aren't real huh ?? No one ! So at least let my sonic unleashed times and scores !
Since we can't hack this game (no AR on 360), they got to be real, and I also have pictures, to prove my times are real !
So come on, please, at least let my SU scores...
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My first response to your photos still applies. If this is important to you, there's your path.
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Sorry I had to deprive you of motivation, Omega.
Don't worry about it. Maybe I can just use the Time Machine to print out his records and then try to improve my times based on what he had. Although, this does mean that I don't have to worry about improving everything I was planning to improve. So now I only have to worry about what I don't have records for, but I may improve some current world records anyway.
My times and scores are real, I'm telling it to you, and you don't believe me, ok, then erase them, I don't care, I no longer play this game, and it no longer interest me.
We're not saying you didn't get them. However, you don't remember your strategies or what you might have done and your scores are too unlikely to be true.
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We're not saying you didn't get them. However, you don't remember your strategies or what you might have done and your scores are too unlikely to be true.
Oh, I'm definitely saying he didn't get them.
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Then how would I have do ?
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THEN WHO WAS PHONE
Sorry >_>
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Oh, I'm definitely saying he didn't get them.
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SsORRY THAT MADE ME LAUGH Xd
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Sorry for the very big up but I wanted to show people something...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHZgWAjN9iQ
This video is from me and Zeupar can confirm it.
I made this to show people what I'm made of in sonic unleashed.
Thanks for watching.