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Sonic Central => Leaderboard Disputes => Topic started by: finalrush7_ on December 09, 2008, 04:09:18 pm

Title: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 09, 2008, 04:09:18 pm
http://soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_unleashed_360-ps3/times/windmill_isle_1/day

I know him, and he's submitting for teh lulz.
Ask for proof, he's never gonna provide it, ban plz
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Shadow Jacky on December 09, 2008, 04:11:44 pm
how ironic.

where do you know him from?
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Parax on December 09, 2008, 04:12:47 pm
figured he was cheating, as his only stats were in WI1 and both were .01 faster than the current record.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 09, 2008, 04:17:45 pm
how ironic.

where do you know him from?

i know him as well he is just doing it for the lolz and to annoy other people.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 09, 2008, 04:19:48 pm
SJ, I know him from my pokemon guild (Team Rocket).
Same goes with lucasthelegend, but he's not cheating.

Anyway Paraxade, I meant to ask you how you got a 30 seconds time on Dark Gaia Phoenix..? Seems strange, since it has kind of 3 health bars anyway.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Parax on December 09, 2008, 04:26:43 pm
The strat is very simple. Just hit it with a water jar immediately and go to the platform it lands on. It dies with just two Y-charges, if you're at max strength.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 09, 2008, 04:32:30 pm
Oh? Interesting, I thought that QTEs were absolutely needed. Well, I'm at level 6 at strenght, so this record needs to wait <_<
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 09, 2008, 06:22:10 pm
figured he was cheating, as his only stats were in WI1 and both were .01 faster than the current record.

I see what you mean that looks very dodgey. He better have proof for this.

Paraxade: Nice find on Dark Gaia Phoenix. I'm nearly at max strength just need 14x EXP then I'll attempt this boss. Also could you please tell me about me about this shortcut you accidently found in Windmill Isle Act 1. I'm interested
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Parax on December 09, 2008, 06:24:52 pm
Right after the bit with the pots, I did something and boosted over the gap. I'm not entirely sure how I did it, just got really lucky on that run. :P I haven't tried doing it again, odds are there's a consistent way to reproduce it.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 09, 2008, 06:33:48 pm
Thanks I got 00:36:xx at the mo so will give this a go sometime. That is if I can pull it off :P


Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Spinballwizard on December 09, 2008, 09:16:22 pm
*sigh* Gotta love idiots.

Also CF has to see your sig. As the bottom part should be his.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Bilan on December 09, 2008, 09:39:25 pm
*sigh* Gotta love idiots.

Also CF has to see your sig. As the bottom part should be his.

"Final Rush.........Mission 1....I'm living for it

My Channel: http://www.youtube.com/finalrush7" ?

>__>
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 10, 2008, 01:59:51 am
I see what you mean that looks very dodgey. He better have proof for this.

trust me he wont have proof hes made it all up hes admitted to me and Final that he has a few times already.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 10, 2008, 08:41:35 am
Surely this should be enough evidence to ban him since he has admitted it to two people.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 10, 2008, 09:51:52 am
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odds are there's a consistent way to reproduce it.

Yep, took me an hour, but I can do it 1/2 times now.



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>__>

I don't understand...
Also, who's CF? Captain..Falcon? >_<
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 10, 2008, 10:13:21 am
Nope that's Cosmic Falcon. Looking at his avator and some posts I've read from him, he is an Emma Watson fan... I think o_O

I'm probably never going to figure out the way to produce the short cut in Windmill Isle 1, I'm ok when it comes to TAing, to be honest I'm shocked that I'm holding the record for Egg Beetle... at the mo :/

Oh well at max strength now so will attempt Paraxade's strat with Dark Gaia Phoenix. I wonder if it will work with Dark Moray.


 

Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 10, 2008, 10:52:57 am
later when im talking if i can get him to admit it ill show you here and he should get banned.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 10, 2008, 01:07:30 pm
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to be honest I'm shocked that I'm holding the record for Egg Beetle

Just how do you get that so low? I have around 2 mins on that one


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I'm probably never going to figure out the way to produce the short cut in Windmill Isle 1

Just jump (max jump, so that you roll in air) right before the boost pads, then use the air boost technique.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 10, 2008, 05:00:16 pm
Thanks PoT I'll give that a try soon. Tried Paraxade's strat for Dark Gaia Phoenix and got 31 seconds pretty good BUT Paraxade said two Y charges. When I tried the strat for the first time I defeated the boss with only ONE Y charge but I messed up in the beginning and got 34 seconds with that. I can't seem to reproduce the one charge again which is a shame because I think the time can go slightly lower.

My strat for Egg Beetle:
Grab some rings and boost straight away. When you're right in front of the pincers home attack the boss then boost again. Hold back when you're in front of the pincers, time it carefully so you can boost towards the boss just as the pincers open. Keep boosting till Egg Beetle gets back up, then hold back when you're in front of the pincers and boost again just as the pincers open. Again keep boosting till the boss gets back up and you're in front of the pincers, hold back and home attack again. Boost again to the boss, then hold back and boost just as the pincers open. This strat used properly will guarantee you a time of around 47 secs. So yeah there's a lot of boosting, timing and holding back involved.

I'm usually not very good at explaining things. If what I said doesn't make any sense I don't mind taping the strat. I was thinking about doing a vid of it one day.

Just need to figure out Dark Moray now. 1stKirbyever some how got 44 seconds on him and I got 1:44:xx so far.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Parax on December 10, 2008, 05:18:52 pm
He said he's making a Dark Moray video soon.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 10, 2008, 05:35:40 pm
Oh good I have subscribed to his channel at Youtube so can't wait to see it. I've changed my mind I will make a vid of my speed run for Egg Beetle some time at the weekend. So PoT if you want to see what it looks like have a look at my channel then. I have subscribed to your Youtube channel so look me up if you're interested in seeing the vid :)

Better look up the rest of the time for Dark Moray so I can submit it now and claim 2nd position.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 11, 2008, 02:17:24 am
Flying fox whats your Username on Youtube?
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 11, 2008, 05:30:24 am
Its FlyingfoxUK.

I only have 3 videos of SU at the mo. One of them is of use its a speed run of Egg Devil Ray. My fastest time is 51:59 as you'll see when you pause the video quickly in the beginning. I didn't record it so instead I made a speed run of it with a time thats nearest to my fastest time.

I will do Egg Beetle at the weekend and possibly Dark Gaia Phoenix sometime next week (crediting Paraxade of course because I wasn't the one who found this strat and I don't like taking credit for other people's work).

I haven't got to Egg Lancer yet but when I do I will record it. I can't record a lot of videos anymore since the program I use on my computer crashes about 70% of the time just as I am about to save the video. Very annoying >:(

Oh man I thought I had the score record for Windmill Isle 1 Night. The other guy must have got one more critical attack than me. I know where I went wrong I accidently used that claw thing that makes your punches stronger and I used it on two of the enemies right at the end so lost out on about 12,000 there. I better play this level again since it looks like I can nearly get 365,000.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 11, 2008, 08:36:37 am
Thanks for the info FF. You actually described it very well, and I might try to get a low time soon.
The more important goals at this moment are to take back WI1 time record. Same goes for SC1 and another one I forgot.

Shouldn't be too difficult to get a 1:46 on SC1, but the WI1 one is quite luck based, so I'm not sure when I'll get that back, if at all.

I also need to get my JJ1 time (current 4:49) so low that people won't even try to beat it. I messed up a 4:35 run yesterday, but that stage isn't that easy to time attack anyway <_<


I'll make sure to subscribe to your YT channel (if I haven't already, not sure) and await the vid patiently.


I also found new shortcuts in SS1 day, but I'm not sure if I'll go for that because I don't think that these cuts will save me the 11 seconds needed to beat 1st's time.

I also need to maintain my leadership for Rings, but RAing the first day stages is a pain in the ass!
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 11, 2008, 08:48:23 am
Good luck on your time attacking goals especially Egg Beetle I like it when somebody gets a good stat because of a method I thought of :D

I will try my best to do a speed run of Egg Beetle this weekend. Hope you do subscribe to me I have 13 subcribers... very unlucky :P

RAing the day stages are a pain thats why I have only done WMI 1 Day at the mo because its easy. I'm concentrating on the Night stages RAs. Now I've got the WMI 1 Night score close to max (not quite but its fairly close) I'm going back to RAing. I'm going to try Dragon Road 1 again and Rooftop Run 1.

I can't seem to find Arid Sands Night stage. I reckon I don't have enough moon medals at the mo since it hasn't opened, but I still can't find it to tell me how many more I need. Can anyone tell me where it is please?

EDIT: About Arid Sands Night stage, never mind I've found it.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 11, 2008, 04:31:28 pm
Flying Fox thanks for the Vid on youtube for the guide on the Egg Beatle got a 00:55 on it with that.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 11, 2008, 04:43:05 pm
Egg Beetle? I think you mean Egg Devil Ray. Thats ok glad it helped you, a little tip for you, now you know how to attack the boss and dodge the attacks, don't give up TAing it. One day you will get a good pattern and get roughly the same time as me.

Egg beetle will be done tomorrow if my computer doesn't crash :P

Man this is spooky Not only are you english like me but you're the same age as me. I just seen your channel on Youtube.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Parax on December 11, 2008, 04:46:21 pm
RAing the day stages are a pain thats why I have only done WMI 1 Day at the mo because its easy.

SC1 is a fairly easy max, I'd recommend trying that if you're looking for an easy day RA.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 11, 2008, 04:52:50 pm
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but you're the same age as me
Wait, you're 13/14 (can't remember exactly)? Wow, you're a pretty good player for your age!


I found SC1 to be quite difficult, and I still don't have 500+ there <_<
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 11, 2008, 04:54:23 pm
man this is spooky Not only are you english like me but you're the same age as me. I just seen your channel on Youtube.

nah i was told to put in a fake age by a friend that age is 10 years older than my real age =P im not really 23 =P

but yeah ill keep trying and getting higheer on it.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 11, 2008, 04:55:15 pm
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but you're the same age as me
Wait, you're 13/14 (can't remember exactly)? Wow, you're a pretty good player for your age!

lol yeah im 13
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 11, 2008, 04:56:37 pm
Thanks Paraxade I'll give that one a go within a few days. I'm going to RA JJ1 Night which looks really easy tonight and then go back to SAing tomorrow. Will try to get the score record for SC 1 Night. Oh dear I think 1stKirbyever has that one could be tricky but I'll give my best shot.

BTW thanks Paraxade for your Dark Gaia Phoenix strat I'm 1 second away from you but I'm happy with my time.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Parax on December 11, 2008, 04:58:02 pm
I found SC1 to be quite difficult, and I still don't have 500+ there <_<

What part of it? As long as you go along all the pathways you shouldn't miss any. Also, just boost straight down the middle to get all the rings on the wallrun.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 11, 2008, 04:58:38 pm
man this is spooky Not only are you english like me but you're the same age as me. I just seen your channel on Youtube.

nah i was told to put in a fake age by a friend that age is 10 years older than my real age =P im not really 23 =P

but yeah ill keep trying and getting higheer on it.

Man you had me fooled me there XD
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 11, 2008, 05:00:24 pm
ive fooled quite alot of people someone on XBL thought i was 18 so he didnt shout at me cause he hated 13 year olds =) even though i am one.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 11, 2008, 05:07:06 pm
Hmm, I'll try again tomorrow. Maybe I was just stupid enough to miss some obvious rings and thought that I have them later on <_<
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 11, 2008, 05:09:23 pm
* Looks at 1stKirbyever's Egg Beetle record. AARRGGHH!!

Oh wow its gone down to 00:42 now thanks to my strat. Which means its perfect but not quite if you get what I mean. I'll look at it again some time and see what can be tweaked so it can go down lower.

EDIT: Will still make a vid of this. Once I have figured out how 1stKirbyever got it that low I'll make another one.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 12, 2008, 04:33:13 pm
ive noticed hydros been banned thanks whoever banned him.

Also nice Vid FF on the Dark Guardian (or whateve its called)

Bit unlucky with the 3rd stone thing and the gates getting in the way
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 12, 2008, 04:38:26 pm
Yeah I noticed Hydro's stats have been wiped this morning.

Thanks yeah that was a bit unlucky. I reckon Dark Guardian can go down to sub 1:20 or close to. I will give it another go sometime now that I know what do.

Next is Egg Lancer. I hate that boss got 2:13 at the mo, needs some work.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 12, 2008, 04:50:09 pm
yeah looking forward to that vid your vids on the bosses are useful helped me on the Egg Devil Ray got from like 6 mins to 55 seconds.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 12, 2008, 05:07:15 pm
Glad my vids are helpfull. I hope you're still TAing Egg Devil Ray. My first time TAing it I got 1:05 then within an hour I got 0:51:59. I think the pattern on that boss changes every time you play it, you just need to get the right pattern. The one that is on my video I believe to be about 85-90% perfect for TAing. Right in the beginning there should've been 3 boost hits but instead there were 2 and then the barrier came. Couldve got 0:50 there :(
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: fastnaturedude on December 12, 2008, 07:21:09 pm
Isn't this topic about Hydro BSing, not about SU discussion? <_<
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Selphos on December 12, 2008, 07:23:43 pm
Kit, all of these topics devolve into SU or other 3D sonic game discussion these days. >_>

I blame PoT.
/me runs
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: fastnaturedude on December 12, 2008, 07:25:14 pm
/me lassos Pidgey
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: finalrush7_ on December 12, 2008, 08:39:32 pm
I've made two topics on this site aside from the introduction one. both went completely off-topic <_<
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: Parax on December 12, 2008, 08:42:11 pm
heh yeah, it'd make more sense to move this discussion over to competition central. :P

(also PoT check your PMs)
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 13, 2008, 06:24:12 am
Can anybody move it to competition central or does it have to be PoT since he was the one who created the topic?

Also if anybody is interested I've managed to sort out my strat for Dark Guardian. I'm a little bit faster now.

*Looks at last paragraph.

Yeah definately move it to competition central XD
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 13, 2008, 06:27:06 am
XD yeah this should be now and maybe change topic title.
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: flying fox on December 13, 2008, 06:39:28 am
Whoops yeah forgot about the title XD

EDIT: New topic started over at competition central yay! :D
Title: Re: BS: "Hydro" is cheating
Post by: lucasthelegend on December 13, 2008, 08:38:39 am
lol thanks flying fox

its called

Sonic Unleashed (360/PS3) topic.