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The Lounge => Wikkity! => Topic started by: Bilan on May 02, 2008, 12:54:08 pm
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That RPG -is- capable of work.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QULV71PR
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I rest my case.
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MY EYES
OH GOD
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The prosecution has evidence to the contrary Your Honor!
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W-W-What!? If the prosecution has contradictory evidence then by all means show the court this contradictory evidence.
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Take a look at the link featured in this forum.
http://unofficial.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3367.0 (http://unofficial.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3367.0)
In here it states that the defense will nag to Thorn which he clearly has not which means he is not capable of working!
Further more...
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The chart in the file is missing several inputs in the "Observed Outputs" and in the "Results/Comments" sections of the graph! If the defense is as hard working as he says, why isn't this chart completed!? How does the defense respond to this?
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Ah, I remember working in VB and writing reports like that :) All I can say is thank goodness for agile development.
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Clearly the prosecution has not paid a shred of attention to the evidence in front of them.
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If they had they would clearly see logical reasons for the contradiction they claim to have found.
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Let us examine each of the three test plans located in the file.
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The first is a blank plan intended for use with the design, as stated above it and on the contents page.
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If we examine the name of the tester of the second plan, we can clearly see that it was not the accused.
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And lastly we have the plan filled out by the defendant himself. It is only natural that everything went as he expected and thus no additional comments were necessary.
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The prosecution's argument is clearly flawed Your Honour!
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You've just helped to prove my case.
Let's take a detour into the chatroom first shall we?
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Take a look at these particular lines from the chatroom.
<Douglas> good call not to use access btw
<Campy> Damn straight
<Campy> I was coding it in notepad before I did it in Access
<Campy> I had to learn VB and SQL as I went along just because I hate Access that much >_>
Seems like quite an awful lot of work just to type that file. An awful lot of unnecessary work.
Let's take a look at the chart shall we?
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Author: Daniel Siviter Tester: Daniel Siviter
Now look at the chart being filled in.
Test Data: Tick the Off Peak box and press “Calculate” again.
Expected Output: The cost of the stay will decrease. Note this in the comments section.
Observed output: As expected.
Results/Comments: £615
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Now, why is the Expected Output labled that it is in the comments section? There is enough room to put it in the comments section so why is it there? The answer is...
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...because it was necessary.
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Let's review the article in the chat room if you please.
<Douglas> good call not to use access btw
<Campy> Damn straight
<Campy> I was coding it in notepad before I did it in Access
<Campy> I had to learn VB and SQL as I went along just because I hate Access that much >_>
The defendant is fond of doing unnecessary work and is not fond of doing plain necessary work. Knowing this, everything filled out in the Results/Comments section was unnecessary and everything not filled out was necessary. Allow me to explain.
And lastly we have the plan filled out by the defendant himself. It is only natural that everything went as he expected and thus no additional comments were necessary.
If everything was expected, why did you make additional comments if it was not necessary? It is because it wasn't necessary. You are fond of doing unnecessary work and not interested in doing what is only necessary as shown in the chatroom article. Additional comments being unnecessary, what does that make the results and comments that weren't filled out? The answer is completely necessary.
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You didn't leave the Results/Comments section blank because it was unnecessary but, because you weren't interested in doing the necessary work because you are a procrastinator who isn't capable of doing the necessary work!
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You are clearly misinterpreting the facts!
The comments section is filled out by the tester during the test if they wish to make additional comments.
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As the accused was carrying out a test he created himself, he had no comments to make that had not already been brought up throughout the rest of the documentation.
The only comments the defendant made throughout the plan where those where he was specifically directed to do so by the instructions in the test plan!
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Best fad ever.
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I'm afraid you're helping my case even more.
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You testify that tester could make additional comments if the tester wanted to. Additional comments being extra which in turn is...
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Completely unnecessary!
The defendant did not make any comments not because the test instructions told him to do so but because...
and its features made it considerably easier to construct the test plans for my system
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...he created the test plans in a way so that he didn't have to do as much work because he did not want to do any work!
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... and before you even think about objecting to any of my statements, tell me, what is the defendant being tried for?
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A few years too late but I still lol'd a little.
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You are attempting to accuse my client of not working and this is something I will not tolerate.
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As the tester was the person that developed the program the test plan was for, there would clearly be no need for them to comment upon their own work as they have done at numerous places throughout the documentation.
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The Prosecutions theory is nothing but baseless conjecture.
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In your testimony:
As the tester was the person that developed the program the test plan was for, there would clearly be no need for them to comment upon their own work
You have just admitted that the defendant manipulated the test plans so that he wouldn't have to comment about it in the end!
Furthermore, this has no bearing on the case at hand! Why? Because...
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the defendant is being accused of being incapable of working!
It is you who has baseless conjecture and is misinterpreting the facts!
Allow me to show you why:
ITT COLD, HARD, UNDENIABLE PROOF
That RPG -is- capable of work.
The case is that RPG is being accused of not wanting to work and not if he did not need to fill out the Results/Comments section! So far, all my evidence show that he, RPG, does not want to work while you are trying to prove the wrong thing!
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I believe that you do not understand the purpose of a test plan, Mr Edgeworth.
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They are intended to be carried out by an individual with no prior knowledge to the system!
And subsequent test plans carried out by the user are simple error checks!
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And I urge you not to forget about my secret weapon.
Your Honour, I believe a penalty may be in order for Mr. Edgeworth's convoluted and entirely pointless line of questioning.
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Also I would like to request a recess due to the unfortunate state of the current Prosecution.
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Court is adjourned for a twenty minute recess.
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Court is now in session.
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The prosecution is ready Your Honor.
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The Defence is ready Your Honour.
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I object to this entire thread.
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Objection overruled.
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I object to the defense and the judge being one person.
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The Defence and the Judge are clearly not the same person!
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The prosecution has evidence to the contrary Your Honor!
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W-W-What!? If the prosecution has contradictory evidence then by all means show the court this contradictory evidence.
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As you can see from the above, both sides involved are implementing the role of the judge where appropriate due to lack of an actual judge!
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The Defence and the Judge are not the same!
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The defence makes a rather convincing point.
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Before we continue the trial of RPG, I believe a recap of this trial is necessary. If the defence's assistant would be kind enough to tell us what has been established so far the trial may recommence.
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Before we continue the trial of RPG, I believe a recap of this trial is necessary. If the defence's assistant would be kind enough to tell us what has been established so far the trial may recommence.
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I kept a summary of the trial so far and believe to have captured the essential points of it.
<RPG> SEE I DO CAN WORK
<Rick> BS
<RPG> no u
<Rick> no u
<RPG> no u
<Rick> no u
<douglas> bs, RPG and the judge are the same person!
<RPG> lies
<Rick> tl;dr, summarize plz
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I believe that was all the key points.
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Thank you very much. Although, there is something that is bothering me.
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What is it Your Honor?
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Mr. Gresham didn't support his claim even though he knew this was a court of law. Wouldn't that make him the one not capable of working rather than the defendant?
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W-What!? I-Impossible!
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What is the defence's view on this?
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The Defence would like an inquiry into the matter.
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This is ridiculous. Clearly, at the time of my objection, the judge was under the control of the defense. I made no allusions to the permanence or exclusivity of this arrangement. That it happened at all, and the argument that the prosecution has an element of control too, shows this court is morally bankrupt. The judge should be an independent arbiter.
This "inquiry" would be nothing more than an attempt to gag my exposure of the corruption inherent in the current system. Free the TSC One!
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Then the Defence requests that you find an independant judge!
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The Defence's claim is sustained. Mr. Gresham please find us an independant judge. Does the Prosecution have any views on the matter?
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The Prosecution agrees with the Defence.
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I expose the corruption in the system, so it's my responsibility to do something about it? And I'm ordered to do so by the very entity I've exposed as corrupt? lolwut?
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I, er, believe thats fair, Mr Edgeworth?
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I agree with Mr Gresham's statements. Also he is hot <3
. . . what, there was no love for the female characters ok >_>
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Fair? Well he is the one who brought it up. If he has a problem with it he should be prepared to solve the problem otherwise he shouldn't have brought it up.
Also I am afraid the previous post is horrendously incorrect because Mia Fey is dead.
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How dare you attempt to masquerade as my Chief, er, I mean Mia!
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Right, you want a judge? I'll give you a fecking judge. Welcome to the court of Doug bitches!
I'd like to point out that "well why don't you do better" is the sign of one who can't handle constructive criticism. I'd also like to point out the outrageous use of spoilers in this topic. The prosecution has completely failed to demonstrate any evidence pertinent to the unwillingness of Mr. Gasmask to do work. Finally, it is clear to me that the prosecution were the most ardent in trying to suppress my corruption busting, even engaging in petty slander:
Mr. Gresham didn't support his claim even though he knew this was a court of law. Wouldn't that make him the one not capable of working rather than the defendant?
This court therefore dismisses this case with prejudice in favour of the defense, hence the prosecution will meet all legal fees. I further hold the prosecution attorney Rick_242 in contempt of court for the above reasons, and orders that he pay a fine to be determined at a misconduct hearing, where it will also be decided whether to recommend his disbarment for serious professional misconduct.
Finally, it has not escaped this court's notice that the defense attorney Mr Gasmask was complicit in the shambles this case was before my intervention. I therefore order a full judicial enquiry into the affair with the involvement of Mr.s 242 and Gasmask to be probed, at which point we will see if this whole affair was as a result of incompetence or genuine corruption - the latter, of course, will result in full criminal proceedings being brought.
Court is adjourned!
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The Defence vehemently refutes the accusations levelled at him!
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If the Court would please review the case thus far.
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As can be clearly seen, the Defence and Prosecutions use of the Judge in no way affected the verdict of this trial or the proceedings in anyway.
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Furthermore, no penalties were given out in this way and the only time the Judge made an impact was with the calling of a recess, something which the Prosecution specifically asked for.
[23:34] <Rick_Attorney> I'm not
[23:34] <Rick_Attorney> TSC still won't load
[23:34] [Campy] :/
[23:34] <Rick_Attorney> can you call a recess
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As for the accusations of spoilers, I wholeheartedly implore for the accuser to elaborate further.
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The death of Mia Fey can hardly be distinguished as a spoiler as her death occurs in the very beginning of Case 1 - 2, immediately following a 15 minute tutorial case.
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I'm afraid what you just said is flawed, very flawed.
First off, "well why don't you do better" was never said but rather that you should find us a judge so we wouldn't have to do the judging.
Secondly, spoilers? There isn't anything that can be considered a spoiler except for Mia Fey being dead which isn't a spoiler because it is revealed in one of the beginning cases.
Thirdly, I did present evidence if you look at the url given in one of my first posts RPG did not nag Thorn even though he said he would. Months ago.
Fourthly, I believe the judge said:
Mr. Gresham didn't support his claim even though he knew this was a court of law. Wouldn't that make him the one not capable of working rather than the defendant?
I did not meaning you are accusing yourself of not doing any work. Not I.
Fifthly, the above reason being that I was slandering you has been shown that you've slandered yourself which means you have to pay all legal fees for slandering yourself and may be in disbarment for serious "professional" misconduct.
Sixthly, the stated reasons for probing cannot be carried out because the judge simply does not wield that much power in a court of law. Only the prosecution may even come close to such a thing.
Lastly, genuine corruption? You gave no proof or evidence whatsoever that the court was corrupted so from we can tell it is only baseless conjecture from a witness. Which shows that you are incompetent.
Clearly, the "professional judge" has lost all credibility. The Defence and Prosecution have made their points quite clear.
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And I almost forgot! (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NCKABNML)
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Mr. Gasmask, this session has been adjurned! The ramifications will be examined in depth at the inquiry, as previously stated! Speak out of turn once more and I shall find you in contempt as well!
Mr. 242, the point was that a random witness should not have been asked to overhaul the judicial process. The slander in question was made by the previous judge, who was in fact you. The misconduct hearing is to give you a chance to make your case outside of this; I am perfectly within my rights to set your fine and to recommend your disbarment right now, if you prefer. The evidence of corruption is that both you and the defense were intermittently in control of the judge, which is clearly a ludicrous state of affairs. The inquiry is ordered by myself as a fellow of the Law Society, and I find it nonsensical that anyone other than those being investigated would object to it.
Court is adjourned! Bailiffs, please remove the attorneys from this court.
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The Defence has the right to cross examine anything the witness says!
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The witness is abusing their new found, and self given, power to prevent the course of this legal right and accuse two innocent parties of wrong doing.
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The Defence will not tolerate this!
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The Defence has the right to cross examine anything the witness says!
The Defence does not have the right to question the judge after the session is adjourned!
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The witness is abusing their new found, and self given, power to prevent the course of this legal right and accuse two innocent parties of wrong doing.
I would like to remind Mr Gasmask who asked the former witness to find a judge. I have also not accused innocent parties of anything, merely instigated an investigation to ensure no wrongdoing took place.
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The Defence will not tolerate this!
The Defence will tolerate the fact that THE CASE IS ADJOURNED, or be found in contempt! This is your last warning Mr Gasmask!
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The Defence does not have the right to question the judge after the session is adjourned!
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Right, you want a judge? I'll give you a fecking judge. Welcome to the court of Doug bitches!
I'd like to point out that "well why don't you do better" is the sign of one who can't handle constructive criticism. I'd also like to point out the outrageous use of spoilers in this topic. The prosecution has completely failed to demonstrate any evidence pertinent to the unwillingness of Mr. Gasmask to do work. Finally, it is clear to me that the prosecution were the most ardent in trying to suppress my corruption busting, even engaging in petty slander:
Mr. Gresham didn't support his claim even though he knew this was a court of law. Wouldn't that make him the one not capable of working rather than the defendant?
This court therefore dismisses this case with prejudice in favour of the defense, hence the prosecution will meet all legal fees. I further hold the prosecution attorney Rick_242 in contempt of court for the above reasons, and orders that he pay a fine to be determined at a misconduct hearing, where it will also be decided whether to recommend his disbarment for serious professional misconduct.
Finally, it has not escaped this court's notice that the defense attorney Mr Gasmask was complicit in the shambles this case was before my intervention. I therefore order a full judicial enquiry into the affair with the involvement of Mr.s 242 and Gasmask to be probed, at which point we will see if this whole affair was as a result of incompetence or genuine corruption - the latter, of course, will result in full criminal proceedings being brought.
Court is adjourned!
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This would not be an issue if the witness had not declared the court as adjourned before the Defence and the Prosecution could react to the witness' statement!
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I insist to be allowed my legal rights and will cross examine the witness. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7VTD5DB1)
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Interestingly enough this all leads back to our original case. Allow me to show you why.
Mr. Gresham stated that the court is corrupt and his evidence was that we had control of the judge. We being the Defence and Prosecution. This is but a belief with no evidence that we were manipulating the judge to our advantage. If we had real control of the judge then the trial would be over with the opposing party losing in the beginning of the trial.
You also stated that Mia Fey is dieing is a spoiler which was proved not because it is revealed in the beginning of the first game.
Another point you made was that the Defence cannot cross examine when you declared that court is adjourned. There are to problems with this. 1. The Defence objected to the adjourning which means that the session isn't over and he can still cross examine due to the Defence's right to cross examine anything the witness says. 2. You simply adjourned court. The trial will still continue until a verdict is reached. Furthermore the court is still not adjourned.
Lastly, you are a self proclaimed judge. You have no power in this court because you are a witness! You weren't the judge in the beginning of this trial, you were a witness who barged in here during the beginning of our second session.
Now how is this related to our original case? Simple, RPG can work as shown through him contradicting every single one of your testimonies. In fact the only one in here who hasn't done their homework is you Mr. Gresham! You didn't know any of the above mentioned because you were too lazy to look up facts before making ludicrous decisions.
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The Prosecution accuses the witness, Mr. Gresham, of being incapable of working!
What is your response witness!?
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The Defense's usage of Megaupload is hindering the flow of the trial. Fileden (http://www.fileden.com/) or a similar service should be used, one that allows for immediate playback of music files skipping the tedious process of having to manually download it.
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Nowhere has it been declared an obligation to download the music provided in the links, as such it is not hindering the trial.
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Nowhere has it been declared an obligation to download the music provided in the links, as such it is not hindering the trial.
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Oh, uhm...
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I agree with all of the above.
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I agree with all of the above.
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F-Man claims to agree with all that has been said so far. But a lot of the given arguments contradict each other. It's therefore impossible to agree with everything unless he's a hypocrite!
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Pass me some of that popcorn. This is a great show.
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Could members of the court audience please refrain from rambling so that the session can begin
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I apologize, Mr. Wright.
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The defense was the creator of this trial, a position that clearly defines the defense as the prosecution! Furthermore, in doing so, it has created an argument that has proven to perpetuate itself, and purposely prolonging the
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Um, I recommend you shut it before you are crushed by the power of Phoenix and/or Edgeworth.
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If that is true then why would I submit evidence harming my case? If I was the prosecution I clearly would not have submitted my project as evidence.
The defence politely requests silence in the courtroom.
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ORDER! ORDER! I WILL HAVE ORDER IN THIS COURTROOM!
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The defense was the creator of this trial, a position that clearly defines the defense as the prosecution! Furthermore, in doing so, it has created an argument that has proven to perpetuate itself, and purposely prolonging the
Objection overruled.
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This court will now resume with an independent judge. So, let's get started with this trial.
First, the court will summarize the current case.
I object to the defense and the judge being one person.
The initial claim was the above accusation. After attempts by both parties to expose the lies in Mr. Gresham's testimony, he throws out yet another accusation.
The judge should be an independent arbiter.
This "inquiry" would be nothing more than an attempt to gag my exposure of the corruption inherent in the current system.
As shown above, he also stated the judge should be independent. Shortly after, Mr. Gresham assumed the role of the judge and made an attempt to adjourn court without giving the defense a chance to object to his statements, following which a search was conducted to bring forth a new, independent judge.
That is but a brief summary of the events that have transpired. Are both parties ready to resume?
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This half of the defence is ready Your Honour.
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The other half of the defence is ready Your Honor.
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Incidentally the Prosecutor I am defending is in an ill state. He has requested I take his place.
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Very well. To begin, the court requests Mr. Gresham to please take the stand.
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The other half of the defence is ready Your Honor.
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Wait, wasn't I the defence's assistant?!
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My question was directed to the attorneys, not everyone associated with them.
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Good day your honour.
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In the trial in question, I was in the public galleries. I observed during the course of the trial that both the prosecution and the defense were directly in control of the judge, as evidenced here:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34845#msg34845
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34846#msg34846
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The attorneys in question will doubtless claim that their influence over the judge was limited to trivial matters; however that is irrelevant. That they held any influence over the judge - meant to be the impartial, unbiased source of authority in the courtroom - is abominable.
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Your honour will note the following replies to my objections:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34876#msg34876
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34877#msg34877
Both attorneys requested that I find a new judge. If there was no issue, this request would not have been made - both attorneys should than capable of repudiating my claims were they unsubstantiated, given their profession.
Mr 242 then put the onus on myself thus:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34881#msg34881
It is ridiculous to assert that by raising a fundamental issue with the court process, it was somehow my responsibility to rectify the situation, and indeed I pointed this out to both parties. However, by happy coincidence I was qualified to preside over the proceedings, so as both defence and prosecution had agreed to my finding a replacement, I petitioned the relevant authorities, who agreed that I should assume the role of judge.
I determined that as the prosecution had presented no case that RPG was incapable of work in general (although pointing out his laziness on some previous occasions, this was not sufficient to discredit the body of work presented as evidence that RPG sometimes does some work).
I also held Mr 242 in contempt, both for spoilers - which was a lesser crime than I thought, given the spoiled event happens at the beginning of the game - and for the more serious offence of a slanderous attempt to discredit myself through his undue influence over the judge:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870
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I determined that given the circumstances in which I had come to preside over the trial, and further that the situation was not the subject of the trial, it was in the interests of fairness to dismiss the case in favour of the defence (who had no case to answer, in my view) and to instigate this inquiry into possible corruption in the system. I determined that the inquiry should be presided over by an independent judge, as I had personal involvement with the issue in question; I further determined that the question of Mr 242's penalty for being held in contempt should be ascertained at said inquiry to allow him to present his own side of this story - something I was not in fact required to do (I was well within my rights as judge impose penalties there and then), but that it was in the interest of fairness to all sides to do so.
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Subsequent protests were made by both attorneys after the court had been adjourned. None were connected to the actual case, and I had already made clear this opportunity would exist for them to explain their actions, and frankly I could have found both in contempt for this behaviour.
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In summary, my efforts were directed firstly at identifying an anomaly in the proceedings as a concerned member of the public, then in my role as judge to draw to a close a proceedings that had descended into a farce and to investigate the possible corruption in as fair and objective a manner as possible.
I ask your honour to consider carefully both parties roles in controlling the judge, their misuse of such, and the wider implications of such a set of circumstances being allowed to continue. I would also ask your honour to be mindful of the inevitable personal accusations that will be directed at myself and keep the defendants on topic so this matter can be resolved as efficiently as possible.
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Hmm...
Very well-explained. The defense may begin its cross-examination.
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In the trial in question, I was in the public galleries. I observed during the course of the trial that both the prosecution and the defense were directly in control of the judge, as evidenced here:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34845#msg34845
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34846#msg34846
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The attorneys in question will doubtless claim that their influence over the judge was limited to trivial matters; however that is irrelevant. That they held any influence over the judge - meant to be the impartial, unbiased source of authority in the courtroom - is abominable.
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This is all fine and well, but as you can clearly see there was no real influence over the judge at all.
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In the absence of a real judge both parties simply input their own comments via the Judge.
There is also the fact that any real Judge would not have been able to react at the times in those posts, and would have had to wait until the end of the post in order to do so.
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All this means is that the use of the Judge was simply extraneous, to simply split up key points in the argument and was used for no gain at all from either sides perspective.
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How do you respond to this, Mr Gresham!?
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This is all fine and well, but as you can clearly see there was no real influence over the judge at all.
In the absence of a real judge both parties simply input their own comments via the Judge.
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Do I really have to point out the obvious contradiction here?
There is also the fact that any real Judge would not have been able to react at the times in those posts, and would have had to wait until the end of the post in order to do so.
All this means is that the use of the Judge was simply extraneous, to simply split up key points in the argument and was used for no gain at all from either sides perspective.
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Your motivations for manipulating the judge do not excuse the fact you did so. It is for your honour to decide the repercussions of these actions, and whether the degree of influence exterted and these good intentions mitigate the circumstances; this question was in fact the reason I ordered this inquiry.
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...!
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Your motivations for manipulating the judge do not excuse the fact you did so. It is for your honour to decide the repercussions of these actions, and whether the degree of influence exterted and these good intentions mitigate the circumstances; this question was in fact the reason I ordered this inquiry.
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Although both parties did, in fact, assume the role of the judge, I do not see how calling a recess, then reengaging in court proceedings does anything to affect the outcome. In addition, Mr. Gasmask makes a good point. Given the method of communication on these forums, it indeed would be impossible for any real judge to jump in mid-post. I can understand the reasons behind both parties' actions.
Would the defense like to add anything else before we move on?
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Thank you Your Honour.
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I have nothing more to raise to this point, but perhaps Mr 242's attorney does?
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Subsequent protests were made by both attorneys after the court had been adjourned. None were connected to the actual case, and I had already made clear this opportunity would exist for them to explain their actions, and frankly I could have found both in contempt for this behaviour.
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This is a record of all the posts you've made. Would you be kind enough to point out where this opportunity to explain our actions was mentioned?
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34855#msg34855 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34855#msg34855)
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34875#msg34875 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34875#msg34875)
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34880#msg34880 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34880#msg34880)
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34883#msg34883 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34883#msg34883)
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34888#msg34888 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34888#msg34888)
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34890#msg34890 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34890#msg34890)
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg35003#msg35003 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg35003#msg35003)
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg35007#msg35007 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg35007#msg35007)
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Sorry to interrupt, Mr Justice I believe it was?
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I'm afraid that I believe this current trial is the aforementioned chance to explain.
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I'm afraid that is the problem. Let's review shall we?
Court is adjourned! Bailiffs, please remove the attorneys from this court.
We were about to be held in contempt of court. If he was really going to give us a chance to explain why would he hold us in contempt of court? Which brings us to our next point.
I therefore order a full judicial enquiry into the affair with the involvement of Mr.s 242 and Gasmask to be probed, at which point we will see if this whole affair was as a result of incompetence or genuine corruption - the latter, of course, will result in full criminal proceedings being brought.
He had no intention of listening to our story because he had decided that we were already guilty.
Even if he did say that he was going to give us a chance to explain our stories it doesn't matter because he had no intention of actually listening to us because he had already decided we were guilty. Had he remained judge this trial would be over which raises the question of who really is corrupt. The defendants or the witness himself?
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Taking this into account it is quite clear that further testimony is required from the witness to explain all of this.
Ah, and also
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Wait, wasn't I the defence's assistant?!
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My apologies for not explaining earlier, Ms Serene, but both I and Mr 242 are the defendants in the current case and are defending each other. Mr 242 is ill and as such Mr Justice is defending in his stead.
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You are still my assistant but as the Defence's Stand is fully occupied I must ask that you view this trial from elsewhere in the courtroom, my humblest apologies.
Your thoughts on requesting further testimony, Your Honour?
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The witness's past actions appear to have been brought to the court's attention. Very well. Will the witness please testify regarding his explanation to the above statements, please.
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I'm afraid that is the problem. Let's review shall we?
Court is adjourned! Bailiffs, please remove the attorneys from this court.
We were about to be held in contempt of court. If he was really going to give us a chance to explain why would he hold us in contempt of court? Which brings us to our next point.
You were held in contempt, but no penalty imposed. Given that, there was every scope for the revocation of this. I have already explained the reasoning for bringing the farcical proceedings to a prompt end. Your honour will also note that Mr 242 was not, in fact, held in contempt for exerting control over the judge; rather for baseless attacks against myself in a desperate attempt to cover up his own misdeeds - http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870 - as well as the spoilers.
I therefore order a full judicial enquiry into the affair with the involvement of Mr.s 242 and Gasmask to be probed, at which point we will see if this whole affair was as a result of incompetence or genuine corruption - the latter, of course, will result in full criminal proceedings being brought.
He had no intention of listening to our story because he had decided that we were already guilty.
"The latter", in this case, was referring to "genuine corruption" as opposed to "incompetence". I fail to see how inferring that the finding that you intentionally corrupted the court would result in criminal proceedings can be equated with an assumption of guilt. It was merely a statement of the likely outcome were guilt ascertained. Is Mr 242 really trying to claim that criminal proceedings would not follow a finding of corruption?
Even if he did say that he was going to give us a chance to explain our stories it doesn't matter because he had no intention of actually listening to us because he had already decided we were guilty.
See above. Also why would it matter what I had decided? You will note I ordered an independent judge to preside over this hearing; hardly the action of one intending to pursue an open-and-shut, you're-already-guilty-this-is-a-formality case.
Had he remained judge this trial would be over which raises the question of who really is corrupt. The defendants or the witness himself?
That trial is over. The trial had everything to do with the allegations that Mr Gasmask was incapable of work, and the decision to reach a verdict and adjourn is irrelevant to the question of possible corruption. I separated the two issues and ensured independent review of the judicial issues arising from the case. Again, were I corrupt, there are numerous actions I could have taken to prevent a fair and just review of the situation - I did the opposite.
I have conducted myself in the interests of fairness and honesty in all matters pertaining to this nonsense. Does your honour genuinely believe the same can be said of Mr 242? I once again direct the court's attention to this:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870
Mr Gasmask may have manipulated the judge in a manner in which your honour does not believe warrants further repercussions, but this is a clear example of Mr 242 abusing his influence over the judge for his own personal ends.
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While I am highly grateful at the Court's decision to not pursue the matter of corruption any further in my direction, I am afraid I must object to the heightened accusations against Mr 242!
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As has already been established, neither side used the role of the Judge for anything beyond trivial stringing points together.
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As such if I am to go unpunished I believe that so should Mr 242!
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I believe it's too late for me to assume the previously-requested role of the Prosecution, is it not? From my point of view, it looks like Mr. Gresham is filling that role.
/me waits for doug's denial of this statement.
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I am only too happy to oblige Mr Pidgey:
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Very well. To begin, the court requests Mr. Gresham to please take the stand.
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Doug I mean that you appear to be both a witness and the prosecution >_>
Besides, since when is the prosecution immune to being accused?
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My apologies for not explaining earlier, Ms Serene, but both I and Mr 242 are the defendants in the current case and are defending each other. Mr 242 is ill and as such Mr Justice is defending in his stead.
You are still my assistant but as the Defence's Stand is fully occupied I must ask that you view this trial from elsewhere in the courtroom, my humblest apologies.
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Ah, all right. I shall still try to support the defence when I see fit though.
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Doug I mean that you appear to be both a witness and the prosecution >_>
Besides, since when is the prosecution immune to being accused?
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Mr. Gresham also assumed himself the role of the judge, as seen here: http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34883#msg34883 and here: http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34888#msg34888
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Yet he's accusing Mr. Gasmask's and Mr. 242's practise of temporarily assuming the role of the judge for personally gain while in truth they only used the judge's person for trivial matters or to organize the flow of the trial.
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Whereas Mr. Gresham himself clearly abused the judge's position which he unjustifiably took with the sole intent of supporting his point in the argument he started, which he followed up with attempting to adjourn the court without any given reason!
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Ms. Serene has a point. Mr. Gresham did, in fact, use the judge's position to a much greater extent than either Mr. Gasmask or Mr. 242. The court requests an explanation from Mr. Gresham as to why he decided to use the judge's position to a greater extent than either of the attorneys.
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Excellent work Serene.
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Hehehe~
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Ms. Serene has a point. Mr. Gresham did, in fact, use the judge's position to a much greater extent than either Mr. Gasmask or Mr. 242. The court requests an explanation from Mr. Gresham as to why he decided to use the judge's position to a greater extent than either of the attorneys.
My objection, if you remember, was to the fact that the judge should be independent of both the prosecution and the defense. The only reason we were discussing the extent to which Mr Gasmask and Mr 242 used the judge's powers is because they should not have had them, and we were trying to establish 1) their motivations for illicitly obtaining the judge's power, and 2) the extent of their abuse thereof.
Whereas Mr. Gresham himself clearly abused the judge's position which he unjustifiably took with the sole intent of supporting his point in the argument he started, which he followed up with attempting to adjourn the court without any given reason!
Unjustifiably took? I was asked to find a judge by both sides! And I gave a reason to adjorn the court, if you remember: the matter at hand, RPG's ability or lack thereof to do work, was settled. Further, I did not in fact use judicial powers to back up my own feelings - I ordered an enquiry to discover the truth of the situation. I would have abused my powers had I ordered them both shot for it.
I would like for the third time to draw the court's attention to http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870 - the argument that the judge was used solely to keep the flow of the trial is nullified by this evidence, and I believe this should be addressed rather than going over the same points which I have already addressed again and again.
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Mr. Gresham you have made a critical error in your observation.
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If the Court would look at this evidence from a different angle and think outside the box, as it were.
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870
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The witness is claiming that Mr 242 used the judge in order to further his own argument, by making key points with the Judge and bridging statements via himself.
However, let us switch around the two parties involved here.
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Thank you very much. Although, there is something that is bothering me.
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What is it Mr 242?
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Mr. Gresham didn't support his claim even though he knew this was a court of law. Wouldn't that make him the one not capable of working rather than the defendant?
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W-What!? I-Impossible!
What is the defence's view on this?
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After examining the statements in this manner one thing becomes quite clear.
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It is entirely irrelevant as to the manner of which that statement was made as Mr 242 was clearly not using the Judge solely for his own merit. He could've furthered the argument just as efficiently via himself. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K01G3T69)
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Your thoughts, Your Honour?
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And then it would have been clear that it was his opinion being expressed rather than any sort of manipulation of the system.
Also, for the love of Rolken* get some webspace RPG, MegaUpload is epic fail :(
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Then I ask that Your Honour examine the above and conclude whether or not Mr 242 was indeed manipulating the system as the witness has stated, or if he was simply expressing his opinion on the matter through a different medium.
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Unjustifiably took? I was asked to find a judge by both sides! And I gave a reason to adjorn the court, if you remember: the matter at hand, RPG's ability or lack thereof to do work, was settled. Further, I did not in fact use judicial powers to back up my own feelings - I ordered an enquiry to discover the truth of the situation. I would have abused my powers had I ordered them both shot for it.
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Mr. Gresham was asked to find an independent judge, however as he was already previously involved in the trial he clearly couldn't have been "independent" any more:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34875#msg34875
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34877#msg34877
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34878#msg34878
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34880#msg34880
Furthermore his behaviour as a judge was intolerably rude and clearly proved that he was incapable of assuming the role of such an important role in the court.
Right, you want a judge? I'll give you a fecking judge. Welcome to the court of Doug bitches!
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34883#msg34883
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This all supports that at no point it was justifiable that Mr. Graham assumed the judge's role for himself!
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I am not Mr Graham. Clearly Ms Serene has no grasp whatsoever on the matters at hand <_< Furthermore, I was independent in the matter at hand - RPG's ability to work - and took pains to ensure the matter to which I was not impartial was the subject of this independent inquiry. My rudeness is irrelevant to the matter at hand - that of whether or not Mr Gasmask or Mr 242 deliberately corrupted the system for their own ends.
Your Honour, I feel there is little else to be said, and unless Mr 242 has anything further to add I think we'd all like to hear your ruling on this matter before this trial also descends into a farce of mudslinging and irrelevancy.
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Yes?
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Oops, I meant to say "Mr. Gresham" of course. Sorry.
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I do believe everything that needs to be said has already come out into the open.
After looking over the evidence again, I did, in fact, notice one thing. The way that Mr. 242 was assuming the judge seemed like it had some manipulation in it the way the parties were placed. Although Mr. Gasmask did point out that if you switch the parties around, it would make more sense, that is not the initial post, which is key for this matter. Unless Mr. 242 has anything to add, I am ready to declare my verdict.
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Also you guys are forgetting that if the prosecution were to make a statement like that then he wouldn't be doing his job as a prosecutor. >_>
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My rudeness is irrelevant to the matter at hand - that of whether or not Mr Gasmask or Mr 242 deliberately corrupted the system for their own ends.
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That's the problem, the systems were not corrupted to their our own ends. The recess did not do anything except prolong the trial. You can't call that corruption. The other post:
http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870 (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3406.msg34870#msg34870),
in no way shows any corruption. Allow me to explain. The trial at that time was whether or not Johan Gasmask could be capable of doing any work. The Prosecution at the time was supposed to prove Mr. Gasmask guilty of not being able to do any work. However, the trial shifted from proving Mr. Gasmask guilty to this leaving the Prosecution unable to get his guilty verdict. The shift was due to the post mentioned above. If the Prosecution really was using the judge for his own corrupted ends then...
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He would not have made that post!
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I raised the point that neither the defence nor the prosecution should be in charge of the judge, and that suddenly rendered you incapable of producing any evidence for the case? Fail.
in no way shows any corruption. Allow me to explain. The trial at that time was whether or not Johan Gasmask could be capable of doing any work. The Prosecution at the time was supposed to prove Mr. Gasmask guilty of not being able to do any work. However, the trial shifted from proving Mr. Gasmask guilty to this leaving the Prosecution unable to get his guilty verdict. The shift was due to the post mentioned above. If the Prosecution really was using the judge for his own corrupted ends then...
He would not have made that post!
Alternative hypothesis: after being called out, the prosecution's main objective was no longer to ensure a guilty verdict, but to defend their previous actions in the trial, particularly given it was pretty obvious that the defence was well ahead in the actual trial.
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Ooooh, like the file was the only piece of evidence in the trial. There was a lot more pieces of evidence the prosecution had up his sleeve but did not have the chance to show it due to that post (see: Top Tens).
I raised the point that neither the defence nor the prosecution should be in charge of the judge, and that suddenly rendered you incapable of producing any evidence for the case? Fail.
The trial in this case is whether or not the defence and prosecution are corrupt. Not that they shouldn't have been in control of the judge. If you examine the posts made with the judge made by the defence and prosecution there is hardly any corruption in it.
Looks like you are the one who really fails.
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Ooooh, like the file was the only piece of evidence in the trial. There was a lot more pieces of evidence the prosecution had up his sleeve but did not have the chance to show it due to that post (see: Top Tens).
The case wasn't that Mr Gasmask always did work, just that he was capable of it. You'd failed to rebut that point.
I raised the point that neither the defence nor the prosecution should be in charge of the judge, and that suddenly rendered you incapable of producing any evidence for the case? Fail.
The trial in this case is whether or not the defence and prosecution are corrupt. Not that they shouldn't have been in control of the judge. If you examine the posts made with the judge made by the defence and prosecution there is hardly any corruption in it.
Looks like you are the one who really fails.
Note the underline; "hardly any" != none.
Your Honour, this is an admission that corruption was present, and as I have said it is for you to decide the magnitude thereof and what the repercussions should be. I have nothing more to add.
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Ooooh, like the file was the only piece of evidence in the trial. There was a lot more pieces of evidence the prosecution had up his sleeve but did not have the chance to show it due to that post (see: Top Tens).
The case wasn't that Mr Gasmask always did work, just that he was capable of it. You'd failed to rebut that point.
I raised the point that neither the defence nor the prosecution should be in charge of the judge, and that suddenly rendered you incapable of producing any evidence for the case? Fail.
The trial in this case is whether or not the defence and prosecution are corrupt. Not that they shouldn't have been in control of the judge. If you examine the posts made with the judge made by the defence and prosecution there is hardly any corruption in it.
Looks like you are the one who really fails.
Note the underline; "hardly any" != none.
Your Honour, this is an admission that corruption was present, and as I have said it is for you to decide the magnitude thereof and what the repercussions should be. I have nothing more to add.
The case is that RPG is being accused of not wanting to work and not if he did not need to fill out the Results/Comments section! So far, all my evidence show that he, RPG, does not want to work while you are trying to prove the wrong thing!
No. The case was that he did not want to do any work. If you're going to say something along the lines of "The topic title says capable which means the case was whether or not he could do work," the topic title can work both ways, its just a matter of diction. "Lol you don't want to do work" "BS, I can do some work." | "Lol you can't do any work" "BS, I want to do some work." The more likely option would, of course, be wanting to do work.
Now you're just nitpicking at word choice. Say there was some, if any, corruption present, surely there must be some evidence that has such small traces of corruption and if so I request that you present such evidence for examination.
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Mr Justice I am afraid the witness is correct, the prior trial was to conclude if RPG was capable or doing work, willingness to work was never part of the equation. Though it would be quite clear that in order to produce a works of the magnitude provided as evidence, he would also need be willing in order to actually produce such an extensive document.
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The Prosecution stated before this trial that the previous trial was indeed on whether or not RPG was willing to do work. No objections were raised. The Prosecution even stated it numerous times and no objections were raised (one post might be an objection to the claim but its hard to say for sure).
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>_>
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Er aita what was the purpose of reviving this topic
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To think my memories had this being the proof that P.P.A. is a furry. Well, one of them.
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I'm not a furry. But you're right, that case was never solved. We should perhaps continue it if someone can find the thread.
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I'm not a furry. But you're right, that case was never solved. We should perhaps continue it if someone can find the thread.
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http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=3413.0
i don't feel like returning to the judge's position