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Welcome Center => News and Updates => Topic started by: Rolken on March 22, 2008, 05:35:04 pm
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RIOTS IN THE STREETS
BABIES HAVING BABIES
THE NEW SONIC GAME HAS AN ACTUAL CHANCE OF BEING GOOD (http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/03/23/rumors-sonic-unleashed-details-update/)
* Become Wolf Sonic and fight enemies like never before using rapid combo maneuvers and Ring Energy
* Play as Sonic, Knuckles or Tails through 12 packed stages
* Extensive 2D gameplay brings the old Sonic back home"
That first bullet point? That's the chance of it being a complete abject disaster.
Apparently false :(
Lots of images! (http://forums.exophase.com/showthread.php?t=6266) A video! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjxnhXs7Mqs) Multiplatform! (http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/440/)
Rails! 2D! Day and night ...werewolf cycles! A complete and utter lack of BIG THE CAT or SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG ...hopefully!
(Original post follows)
(http://soniccenter.org/images/sonicwerewolf.jpg)
I swear you cannot make this stuff up. More images of "Sonic Unleashed" (http://www.sega-magazin.de/segaon/). Personal response in the next post.
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Fanfiction disagrees!
/me mobbed.
But I can guarantee it exists in droves.
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RULE 34.
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(http://www.soniccenter.org/gerbilsoft/sonic_the_hedge_hog_cd.gif)
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SEGA WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT
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so um, in chat I was referring to the CD pic looking like Batman...
yeah...wtf there Sonic Team?
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(http://www.soniccenter.org/gerbilsoft/sonic_the_hedge_hog_cd.gif)
I'm the GODDAMN BATMAN.
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8619/blahsmallku0.jpg)
NO U
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More shots: http://forums.exophase.com/showthread.php?t=6266
It wouldn't even look that bad if it wasn't for that MOTHERFUCKING WEREWOLF SONIC
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(http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?s=3a02309342cc02459158594cd25533e2&attachmentid=5588&d=1206219398)
[EDIT] Since I do want to post an actual opinion, I don't even know WHAT to fucking think about the werewolf thing. However, I can say that I really like the look of that Mediterranean-ish town. It's very pretty, and has an overall light and pleasant feel that I'm already enjoying. It's got a nicely cartoony, geometric, simplified look to it, as well. Hopefully the game as a whole will follow that direction more than the very dark looking cutscene shots (though probably not).
Not like it matters to me since it's a PS360 game, but I can still care.
[EDIT2] ALSO, Sonic himself looks to have a bit more of his old-school attitude and style. He looks positively cute in some of those shots.
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I will go ahead and make a stupid guess at the plot.
(This means you skip the next paragraph)
Sonic confronts Eggman as Super Sonic to stop him from whatever he does nowadays only to have the negative energy from the chaos emeralds do something to him due to one of Eggman's machines which releases his dark side being that werewolf creature and Eggman scatters the emeralds in which Sonic has to find so he can cure himself before the darkness consumes him.
(Paragraph over)
If this turns out to be true I will go find Sonic Team and beat them to death with their arms after savagely killing the head of Sonic Team.
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so this is like the 3rd time sonic becomes "dark"?
if you count sonic X and SSR (darkspines)
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Well at this point anyone can make a guess that can be completely ridiculous and yet still be pretty damn close to what the story is in Sonic games.
Lately they have been trying to make the Sonic series and Sonic "dark". See Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic The Hedgehog(06), and Sonic Chronicles. EDIT: And Shadow.
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(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9504/1201116267472xn9.jpg)
WHAT
THE
HECK
I have to say, I could tell a Secret Rings-type would come soon. I was more expecting a sequel, but this was ... I can't even describe it. Story aside, I hope beyond hope that this will hit the Wii. Which it really looks like; people claim the graphics are too good, but Super Mario Galaxy proved to me that there's more to the Wii than meets the eye, and what appears to be the gameplay for this only makes sense with a SSR type control. But still, wow.
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Edit: This text isn't big enough.
OH MY GOD, IT'S TWILIGHT PRINCESS ALL OVER AGAIN
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
Seriously, what the bloody FUCK is this!?!
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Hmm...
Ok Sonic as a werewolf is pretty damn weird but I can deal with that for the most part. The.. iblis.. thing... biolizard ripoff...
(http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5579&d=1206229744)
This thing can get the hell away. I'm tired of seeing this crap. Perfect Chaos was awesome, Biolizard too. But then they got this idea in their heads where it was always better to make a big piece of alien crap as the last boss. Just... ugh. :(
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Let me join the font crowd here.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Why the heck do they keep pulling this stuff... honestly! Just make it simple! And make Eggyolk the final boss!
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Not like it matters to me since it's a PS360 game, but I can still care.
I wouldn't be so sure. It's common for promo screenshots to be at higher resolution than the actual game - they were putting out Rivals screens at HD sizes and that's a PSP game. And they'd be insane to ignore the one platform that actually delivered them decent sales in the last round of Sonic games. Plus it appears to be based on the Secret Rings engine, which, well, was a Wii game.
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Holy shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjxnhXs7Mqs
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Oh, Rolken, that's a good point, there are even some pics for this that are stupid big (not 1080p...not any resolution I know actually, but still bigger than usual).
Also that video is...well it looks pretty cool, but I find myself wondering how the hell that side-on perspective is going to work...
wait
WAIT
IT'S 2.5D???
They've got the balls to try a (partial) sidescroller on current consoles???? That's...interesting.
I also have to say I really like the music. It sounds more like SRA's soundtrack than anything else. FINALLY NO SHITTY CRUSH 40 VOCALS??
OH MAN HE'S EVEN DOING RUSH STYLE BOOSTS WHAT THE FUCK I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK OF THIS
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what, Sonic Team is going emo? [edit]:Parts of t
The gameplay looks Sonic Rush style with better graphics, meaning I will fail at it and not like it D: As for the SSR part, change up the missions and upgrade things some please?
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As for the SSR part, change up the missions and upgrade things some please?
NO UPGRADES
NO MISSIONS
SONIC ONLY
FINAL DESTINATION.
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At first thoughts I was all "hangon, this "Sonic Unleashed" thing came out recently after someone noticing a Nintendo patent... now there is leaked media? a little convenient eh? how would a game get so far in development without being noticed?" ... however, because this promo stuff does look so... developed, to an extent... it would imply that it is real and not too far off what they are intending to do with whatever ideas they have.
However, dark werewolf Sonic kinda juxtaposes with the feel of that level that is in most of the screens. I dunno.
The whole 'dark Sonic' idea I don't think is too bad an idea. EXCEPT that we have already had it done with Shadow and SatSR (and Sonic X...). Given the events of SA1 where Chaos uses the 'negative' energy and Sonic uses the 'positive' energy to go super, one can forgive the use of this idea for a dark version of Super Sonic, even after taking the Shadow route (which was also a decent enough idea). But after having made "Darkspines Sonic"... it's a bit... meh.
I'd rather have a game which stars "Rainbow Sonic".
Another thing is that the "leaked" (more like, subtly released for promo) screenshots seem to be rather incoherent... the gameplay seems to all be from one level (understandably), but some of the cutscene stuff like with Super Sonic and Eggman... it all seems disjointed. rather pretty at times.
My verdict? Wait and see.
PS.
Didn't look through all the screens fully at first. Now have done moreso.
It's weird that it seems to be a combo of sidescrolling and rails.
But in either case, it seems to involve a LOT of out of control "loop-de-loop" autopilot.
That's no good.
Also on one hand, the appearance of Eggman and just the general look gives the idea that it isn't going down the SatSR route of "lol arabian nights init lol".
On the other... werewolf Sonic...
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As for the SSR part, change up the missions and upgrade things some please?
NO UPGRADES
NO MISSIONS
SONIC ONLY
{edit}
FINAL DESTINATION.
Actually, no upgrades are exactly what I want, just didn't think anyone else felt that way. As for missions, I don't mind them, just that some are stupid or annoying.
DEATH NOTE.
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From what I've seen, this looks more like a 2.5d style (mostly side scrolling with some third person) game than a full blown SSR style game. I'd also go with the "updated Dark Spine" hypothesis as well since the dark side of the Chaos Emeralds makes a perfect explanation for a dark form outside the book world. Speaking of which, Sonic is probably the only main character to get his ass kicked by a book. Let's hope that new dark form doesn't completely take over or we might end up with a worst ending in which Sonic decides Tails and Amy are snacks instead of his friends. *snickers at the horrible reference I just made*
With all the cynical thoughts out there, you have to think of the positive. With 2.5d being the dominant style, you can expect to see FAR less glitches and craptastic camera angles (something you'd come to expect with 3d platformers in general).
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Oh, forgot to add this. The level designs are pretty cool.
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You... maybe if... I mean, possibly... No. You just cannot make this stuff up.
Wait. It's 2.5D?! Or at least seemingly most of the time. After the failure of Sonic 06 and the long time it took for them to announce the next big game, my imagination started working, and this looks exactly like what I had in mind. Well, minus the wolf thing.
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I'M LAZY AND JUST COPYPASTING MY POST FROM SONIC RETRO
I hope SEGA realizes that not all 2D games have to be brainless highspeed orgies without any slow moments or exploration.
Fuck, I was hoping for a sequel to Sonic 06, keeping the brilliant level design except this time with less bottomless pits and the overall game actually finished. Oh well, I hope this game won't always be as stupidly fast as seen in the video. Did you notice Sonic never stands still in any of the screenshots?
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Were-"hog" transformation footage. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5BiCXA4--Ww)
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Okay, call me crazy, but I swear that this game might have some of that "potential" that we keep tossing around. Let me ignore the werewolf thing for a second, I'll get back to this in a minute.
As far as I can tell, nobody's posted this *here* yet, and maybe I'm just crazy for noticing it, so lemme be the first. Look at this (http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?s=0b051fe41879170f1ce791032075105d&attachmentid=5603&d=1206229547).
Then, in a new tab/window, look at this (http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/749/bluecoast1mm2.png). It's hard to make out, but yeah, that is, like, the same damned town in the background. I actually approve of this hi-res-what-we-already-have business. It makes it much harder for Sonic Team to fuck it up, really. It also satisfies everybody bitching for Sonic Team to include throwbacks to prior fans.
Aforementioned minute having passed, obligatory wtfs abound. I imagine it might be like how in S'06, Sonic was f..f..fast -- okay, I couldn't say that with a straight face -- and Shadow was slower but stronger. Same concept, only in that Rivals / Rivals 2 / Rush / Rush Adventure 2.5D that we love so much (?). Not bad at all, if, again, this was in the hands of another developer.
Long story short, we're all jsut going to wait and see how it turns out anyway. I have high hopes for all of the 2.5D games, though, since they've generally been better than the 3D garbage as of late. Everything I've just said is what the whole of the site was thinking anyway. >_>
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(http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5579&d=1206229744)
Wait, what exactly is this? A final boss? 1) why would you show off the final boss so early? 2) I want to fight Eggman for real already!
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It also satisfies everybody bitching for Sonic Team to include throwbacks to prior fans.
Is Rivals really worth a throwback?
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Hey, I never said it was worth it. :P
I personally enjoyed the level though just for epic musics in Act 3, and epic-when-vocals-removed music in Act 1.
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Fuck, I was hoping for a sequel to Sonic 06,
No.
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*looks at DsR's image*
AHHHHHH
EVIL KATAMARI!!!!
Now that I've looked further into this, my comparison to SSR no longer holds ground; I thought it was more rail-based than 2.5D. Still, if it doesn't hit the Wii, Sonic Team proves themselves to be worse idiots than imaginable - think of the money they'd lose.
I am still in awe how that managed to stay under the radar for that long. This has obviously been in the works for several months already, and this is the first we hear of it? Wow.
The fact that only Sonic and Eggman are the only characters (well, other than robots/bosses) to appear in that huge amount of screenshots is encouraging. Furthermore, Eggman finally proves to be a force to reckon with; no matter how powerful bosses get, before this only Knuckles was ever shown to be able to actually forcefully remove Sonic's super form. Where the game goes with this is still unknown, however.
The levels shown reminded me of something, and I've finally placed my finger on it. Has anyone else here played any of the Myst series? The forest levels in particular remind me of that.
Now comments on the gameplay video: the game looks awesome. The graphics are most definitely possible on the Wii, they seem to kinda resemble the SSR graphics. The music ... is interesting, seems like something you'd hear on a PSP though. LOL at the 99 lives.
All in all, WANT.
Oh, and I got Brawl today. :D
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It looks like it has both 2.5D sections and rails sections.
I am, of course, skeptical. Even in 2.5D they seem to be flipping the camera around in strange ways (though that could just be because it's a demo video - the rooted camera in the final shot seems particularly odd), and what they show of gameplay, as mentioned, looks more like Rivals than Sonic 2.
Hurdles Sonic Team has to surmount on the path to making this game not suck:
- Letting the camera "get out of the way" and focus on what the player needs to see, not cinematic swoops (unlike ... 3D Sonic)
- Making the level design vibrant and interesting (unlike Rivals), with no gotcha hazards and no punishment for going fast (unlike the Advances)
- Keeping this werewolf gameplay something Sonicy in more than name (unlike SA2), yet interesting and different enough to justify replaying the levels (unlike Heroes)
The first one should be trivial in 2.5D/rails if they can resist the impulse to do flashy nonsense. The latter two are significantly more difficult. But if nothing else, Sonic Team is at least working from a solid base this time - we're not in a situation like Heroes where the fundamental game design was flawed.
As for behind-the-scenes speculation. After Sonic06 came out, there were interviews with Sonic Team members in which they were practically despondent. They pretty clearly recognized that they had delivered a turd, and with the combined impact to morale of that and Naka's leaving, there was talk about even losing the Sonic Team name. I think this is the resulting impact: that design responsibilities have been passed away from Iizuka and Nakamura and co on to Yojiro Ogawa, the Secret Rings designer, whose heritage this game inherits. Since this is multiplatform, on Wii/360 according to TSS and almost certainly on PS3 too, it's pretty clear that SEGA has taken the "traditional 3D" option off the table for now.
So basically, the "mainline" Sonic series finally got so bad that it hit them in the pocketbook, and this is the result. My guess is that it'll almost certainly turn out better, but whether it's good enough to genuinely qualify as "good" aside from the Sonic title remains to be seen. It's a trite prediction to make, but my guess is that if this is targeted for Christmas 2009 there is a much greater chance of seeing a good game than Christmas 2008.
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A recent articly on Xbox 360 Fanboy claims that there'll likely be 12 real stages. The Rivals formula is *really* sticking to this game... cross your fingers, people, we don't want this to go down that road...
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Uh oh...
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but....
You guys do realize what Tuesday is, right? I just figured it out. This could be BAD.
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Tuesday is the 25th, last I checked...
...oh, you mean NEXT Tuesday. Yeah, we know.
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Uh oh...
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but....
You guys do realize what Tuesday is, right? I just figured it out. This could be BAD.
To make dozens of screenshots and a gameplay video from three completely distinct areas is more than any fangame project has ever done, much less a hoax. And it is not April 1st. No, this is real.
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(http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5579&d=1206229744)
Wait, what exactly is this? A final boss? 1) why would you show off the final boss so early? 2) I want to fight Eggman for real already!
I predict this thing to be Sonic's werewolf form which somehow gets separated from Sonic in the Last Story, absorbs the negative power of the Chaos Emeralds to transform into this monster and Sonic goes super to battle it.
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No, it's pretty obvious that it's the "evil Dragon Lord, Immarius" who rules Mubuz.
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No, it's pretty obvious that it's the "evil Dragon Lord, Immarius" who rules Mubuz.
Except that came from a "screenshot" of a SEGA release list that SSUK from X-Cult had faked, but apparently someone must have seen it and thought it was real so he/she spread it all over the internet.
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(http://forums.exophase.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5579&d=1206229744)
Wait, what exactly is this? A final boss? 1) why would you show off the final boss so early? 2) I want to fight Eggman for real already!
I predict this thing to be Sonic's werewolf form which somehow gets separated from Sonic in the Last Story, absorbs the negative power of the Chaos Emeralds to transform into this monster and Sonic goes super to battle it.
So, this is what SuperWere-Sonic looks like...
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Please elaborate PPA. I thought this was in all of the screenshot tables?
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Please elaborate PPA. I thought this was in all of the screenshot tables?
http://forums.x-cult.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=3696&view=findpost&p=70463
(Thankfully,) Tails and Knuckles, the gameplay being 2D, "Mubuz" and the dragon king bs, or in short everything you see in that picture is fake, SEGA has confirmed absolutely NOTHING yet. The only given facts are the screenshots and the video, nothing else.
(SSUK originally embedded a fake link into the pictures, which urls were something the lines of "This is fake" and "No really I'm just fooling you" or something similar in meaning. I replied to that however my post was deleted and SSUK edited his post and removed the links.)
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Except that came from a "screenshot" of a SEGA release list that SSUK from X-Cult had faked, but apparently someone must have seen it and thought it was real so he/she spread it all over the internet.
Oh, is that so. That sucks. I kept trying to get people at other forums to tell me what was suspicious about it and nobody would. >:|
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You needn't cross out the 2D gameplay aspect, that much is evident from the video.
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So the dragon-katamari-thingy didn't belong with this?
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YAY!
No evil dragon final boss (yet)!
I knew April 1st had something to do with this. <_<
So, then can we please try to sort out the real and fake details? I'm guessing the video and any screenshots with Sonic are legit. What else?
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Oh, is that so. That sucks. I kept trying to get people at other forums to tell me what was suspicious about it and nobody would. >:|
Rolk my main suspicion came from "where is the link plz. Why can I not find this page with all my googling might??!"... even then, when people were like "maybe this is fake" I was all "what why" and was easily willing to believe people saying it was SoE official or something.
Or maybe I was being dumb because I was on TSS.
Also the screenshots that have been showcased are all very much real... at least they are all as real as eachother. I wouldn't imagine someone would throw in the dragon on the sly with all the others that are clearly from something real.
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So, then can we please try to sort out the real and fake details? I'm guessing the video and any screenshots with Sonic are legit. What else?
Nothing but the name.
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Rolk my main suspicion came from "where is the link plz. Why can I not find this page with all my googling might??!"... even then, when people were like "maybe this is fake" I was all "what why" and was easily willing to believe people saying it was SoE official or something.
Well, that pseudo-magazine DID have a link, but they retracted it. I just wasn't sure whether the retraction meant that it was truly fake or that they had gotten slapped by SEGA's lawyers.
Also I will crosspost this paragraph from Retro because I think it is relevant
This game has potential, but it seems like the same old "could this be the one!?" hysteria is taking that potential and inflating it beyond the actual odds of SEGA pulling it off. The track record of 2D Sonic games lately is ok but not stellar, and Sonic Team itself hasn't done a 2D platformer since the 16-bit days, so I'm doubtful of this "2D = WOW SONIC IS AWESOME AGAIN" mentality that's going around the internet. Could it be good? Yes. Could it be awful? Quite. Until it's apparent that all the other factors that contributed to the malfeasance of the 3D titles have been remedied, skepticism is in order. Remember, this is the same Sonic Team that took a reasonably good rails framework and ruined it with the design decision to make the player earn decent controls. There are competence problems here that go beyond the number of dimensions and months in development.
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Here's an "in-depth analysis" (http://www.seganerds.com/forums/index.php?topic=1009.0) of already leaked info.
Also, prophets commence Sega is majorly pissed about all this stuff getting leaked, if anyone hadn't guessed.
I'll throw in some info:
PS3 and Wii versions of the game confirmed. X360 version is not confirmed.
The game runs on the Sonic Rush engine.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10367018 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10367018)
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Sega is majorly pissed about all this stuff getting leaked, if anyone hadn't guessed.
I'll throw in some info:
PS3 and Wii versions of the game confirmed. X360 version is not confirmed.
The game runs on the Sonic Rush engine. (NOT the graphics engine, doofus.)
And we're supposed to believe THAT just why?
I'll say I fully agree with Rolken's post up there.
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Sega is majorly pissed about all this stuff getting leaked, if anyone hadn't guessed.
I'll throw in some info:
PS3 and Wii versions of the game confirmed. X360 version is not confirmed.
The game runs on the Sonic Rush engine. (NOT the graphics engine, doofus.)
And we're supposed to believe THAT just why?
I'll say I fully agree with Rolken's post up there.
They set the lawyers on Dtoid, amongst others.
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They set the lawyers on Dtoid, amongst others.
Um, I was referring to the "WiiS3 confirmed Rush engine lol" part, not the "Sega is pissed" part.
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because anyone with a cross set as their avatar is quite clearly a conservative and we all know conservatives tell the truth that we as the masses should follow
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warning Bendilin topic...but still contails info in which might be true.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=945572&topic=42218908
"SEGA is launching SONIC UNLEASHED with a HUGE production budget and it seems not only SONIC TEAM is involved but a very huge part of SEGA's developer teams including those from Japan, the US and, apparently for the first time, even Europe. There seems to be one clear mission: Rebuild the Sonic brand and prove it could work in 3D environments."
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We can go on for a year posting random comments from forums. But can we stick to what has at least a shred of credibility instead?
That production budget line is from the same magazine source that ended up retracting everything they posted.
And saying the 360 version is unconfirmed is pretty silly when the gameplay video has a big green A button sticking out in the middle of it. Those aren't GameCube graphics.
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This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Sega of America, Inc.
They should spend their time developing instead of pestering YouTube.
Editing the first post is required again... :(
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That production budget line is from the same magazine source that ended up retracting everything they posted.
well I didn't read the article and assumed everything that was said was said in this topic.