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Sonic Central => Leaderboard Disputes => Topic started by: eredani on January 07, 2007, 05:08:33 pm
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http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_triple_trouble/times/robotnik_winter_2/sonic
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_triple_trouble/times/great_turquoise_2/tails
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_triple_trouble/times/meta_junglira_2/sonic
I was quite thorough in my planning to get my times for the first 2 levels, and I find it hard to believe that bertin found and improved those record strats by such a large amount with less than only 20 minutes between each submission. I time attacked GT2-T again and only managed to achieve a low 0:20 with perfect timing, it's impossible to get 19 seconds on that level as far as I know. While I haven't properly played MJ2 yet it's very improbable that he managed to beat the second place time by 14 seconds.
bertin: You won't have to share your strats with me if you don't want to, so you can talk to one of the mods who have the game and they'll take care of the rest.
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Post count is irrelevent.
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what are you trying to prove? that eredani doesn't post? thanks for the insight.
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nah I just thought it was funny
lol rank-newbie
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Again...
Post count is irrelevent.
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x.x no duh we all know he's an old member of this site.us im mean...comeon HE'S EREDANI!
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Okay, so what was the point of your first post?
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nah I just thought it was funny
lol rank-newbie
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Pointless, either way.
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Better to be a newbie than a complete fuckng retard.
Actually thats a bit harsh, your NOT a complete fucking retard.
Some bits are missing, like the brain.
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hey hey hey eredani i call BS on ur tails robotnik winter!!!!
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Better to be a newbie than a complete fuckng retard.
Actually thats a bit harsh, your NOT a complete fucking retard.
Some bits are missing, like the brain.
isnt there a better way to solve this?
this is like one of them back ally dog fights
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Well this should prove to be an entertaining thread.
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hey crowbar...... http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_rush/times/leaf_storm_1/sonic
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What? Do you want me to congratulate you for your shitty times or something?
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nah that u got owned and cuz of that
2/59 12-30-06
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hey hey hey eredani i call BS on ur tails robotnik winter!!!!
I don't think you're in position to be calling BS when your stats are being called-BS on.
I want to say we were calling BS on eredani a while ago but then he provided some convincing proof, and he's cool with us now.
Whereas you're trying to change the subject when your times are coming into question. Thin ice as far as I'm concerned.
Though I can't comment on validity, since I've played STT all of once.
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hey hey hey eredani i call BS on ur tails robotnik winter!!!!
hey crowbar...... http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_rush/times/leaf_storm_1/sonic
nah that u got owned and cuz of that 2/59 12-30-06
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(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l301/erictheblack/wtf.jpg)
WILL YOU GET ON WITH PROVIDING SOME DAMN EVIDENCE FOR YOUR TIMES?!
In this thread, we don't give a crap that you're calling someone else's records false, and we also don't care that SDM is beating Crowbar at LS1-S in Sonic Rush. At all. What we DO care about however, are your STT times. Explain or be destroyed.
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bertin left, and he can only use the computer when he comes to my house, which will be 2 weeks from now. (atleast i dont think there is any other way for him to get on.)
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Any further nonsense posts in this thread will be deleted. Previous nonsense posts to be deleted if/when I feel like wading through it. This isn't the school playground, kiddos.
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I've got a question: If Bertin is SYlux in the chat, then how come some charts have submissions from BOTH Bertin AND Sylux?
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Also that pic is awesome SL.
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I've got a question: If Bertin is SYlux in the chat, then how come some charts have submissions from BOTH Bertin AND Sylux?
he has 2 accounts and seems to submit his shit rush stats on sylux to gloth about it to me.
EDIT: I mean he likes having last place in sonic rush overall lol... bertin
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Sounds like more grounds for suspicion to me...
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Using multiple accounts to submit to charts, for the purpose of boosting rank for your main account or for any other reason, is not allowed. Sylux is gone, and if sonicandamy wants the "bertin" account to avoid a similar fate, you'd better get in touch with him awfully quickly.
January 7th-21st is generally not a time when you'd take a vacation. 48 hours are in place for either of you to present a defense; otherwise someone;'s getting a good old-fashioned whippin'.
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Using multiple accounts to submit to charts, for the purpose of boosting rank for your main account or for any other reason, is not allowed. Sylux is gone, and if sonicandamy wants the "bertin" account to avoid a similar fate, you'd better get in touch with him awfully quickly.
January 7th-21st is generally not a time when you'd take a vacation. 48 hours are in place for either of you to present a defense; otherwise someone;'s getting a good old-fashioned whippin'.
lol... bertin (XD call him "x") you better thank me later for saving your ass. anyways, he is not taking a vacation he just doesnt have a computer that can go online (again, not that im aware of anyways) the only time he can get online is when he comes over to my house. bertin comes over to my house every other weekend, so the next time you will see him is the 19th, or 20th. for added defense, i think yall can wait that long, ( :( sorry groudon for bringing this up.) *Looks at BS exception boss time topic*
:\ just wait for him, I think you'd be deleting an acount for no reason, I dont watch any of his STT runs, I dont watch what he submits for STT, I HATE STT! so I can not shed any light on this matter, but ya, just wait.
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I was just try to give him some defence while he's away. jus like the TOPIC wanted.
my god... is that enough for you?! look, I dont care being called a retard when im being one. but when im not... there's just no need for it.
I made this topic so that bertin would have to provide proof, how does that warrant you to 'defend' him by spamming it with immature insults?
Now tell me that second thing again.
:\ just wait for him, I think you'd be deleting an acount for no reason, I dont watch any of his STT runs, I dont watch what he submits for STT, I HATE STT! so I can not shed any light on this matter, but ya, just wait.
[2006-11-07 03:34:30] <sonicandamy> lol eredani my friend bertin just powned ur robotnik winter act 1 record and he says jes the master of all robotnik winter!
[2006-11-07 03:52:27] <sonicandamy> lol eredani bertin just got 32 and a sonic icon on robotnik winter 2 when he powned ur record
[2006-11-07 03:54:15] <eredani> You know what, I don't care if bertin beats any of my records
[2006-11-07 03:57:18] <sonicandamy1> eredani i would try to get a better record on ur robotnik winter act 1 tails because he's about to beat that to
[2006-11-07 03:58:14] <eredani> I don't care if bertin beat any of my records
[2006-11-07 03:58:25] <eredani> If bertin's times for those levels are legitimate is another matter
[2006-11-07 03:59:03] <sonicandamy1> i saw him do it
Or didn't you?
[2007-01-08 00:03:22] <+eredani> Can you prove that you got any of the time records you've claimed in STT?
[2007-01-08 00:03:54] <sylux> idk if i can ill have to do it all over again then friggin take pic
[2007-01-08 00:04:11] <Groudon199> Explain method maybe?
[2007-01-08 00:05:07] <sylux> i mean i tried to to rw with tail but.... wow 16 secs..... no way i could pull that [Weren't he the "master of all robotnik winter!"?]
[2007-01-08 00:06:00] <+eredani> Ofcourse you can't match that when you haven't even submitted a stat for the level
[2007-01-08 00:06:26] <sylux> no i tried i dont submit unless its a new record
[2007-01-08 00:07:02] <+eredani> That's a lie
[2007-01-08 00:07:12] <sylux> O rLY?
[2007-01-08 00:07:12] <+eredani> http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_triple_trouble/times/sunset_park_2/tails
S&A have no problems with providing proof so it shouldn't be too hard for bertin to take a picture.
[2007-01-08 00:16:01] <+eredani> The times I've achieved in STT weren't made up on the spot, I actually played each level through several times and optimized every route before executing it
[2007-01-08 00:16:30] <sylux> think i havent....? asked s&a he watched meh
Both of you have said that you watched bertin when he played STT.
And let me bring up the records he claimed in Sonic Advance 2:
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_advance_2/bosses/egg_bomber_tank/knuckles
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_advance_2/bosses/aero_egg/knuckles
http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_advance_2/bosses/egg-go-round/knuckles
I doubt that bertin got the records for those bosses when his Leaf Forest 1 Knuckles time is 20 seconds slower than the record. He must have used Easy Mode for his Boss times unless he's completely lying.
He use checkpoints in STT and easy mode in SAdva2, coincidence?
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Nonsense posts removed and relevant offenders tempbanned. You think I was kidding?
This multiple account BS is almost justification enough for me to suspend everything, but I'll let it slide for now and play out in here.
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I just wanted to help him out, because well, were like best friends. also RPG has made me aware that some of you think the me and bertin are the same poeple. first of all, i dont see how, 2nd of all you know sonicandamy is notorius ;) (is that how its spelled?) for providing proof when asked, so the last thing i can think of is me and him taking a picture and submiting it, even have sign saying sonicandamy, and bertin so you know i didnt just get a random picture off the internet. hows that? if you dont mind waiting till the 19th or 20th. but, what I mean is I dont want to get blamed for any shit he does on here, im just here for some sonic rush!!!! peace out!
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about that ereidani, that robotnik winter records were like the first 2 STT records he got I still stand by that I didn't watch them but the first time he yelled "DUDE!" for his first STT record (really like his first TSC record) i was like "WHAT!" and he was all like "check out the time" and i said "so what?" he said "NEW RECORD!"when i said i saw him get those times I ment as in i saw the times when he finished the level so I know they are not just random made up times. but, as of now i dont watch him play that game, on rare ocasions i watch him do his RAing, but other than that i never watched him TA one of his levels from start to end.
*goes to read the rest of your post*
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Oops, looks like my bans were ineffective. I fixed them now.
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Oops, looks like my bans were ineffective. I fixed them now.
Evidently not <_<
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I figured the point was made on that count.
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I talked to bertin on the phone he said he got his computer fixed and may be on 2morrow just a heads up ( I just dont want any of this "wtf s&A you said he would be on the 19th or 20th")
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wtf s&A you said he would be on the 19th or 20th.
that's a little lol how it worked out though. In that is computer is fixed when you're getting cornered.
also if you're going to quote a popular song in your sig GET THE LYRICS RIGHT.
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wtf s&A you said he would be on the 19th or 20th.
that's a little lol how it worked out though. In that is computer is fixed when you're getting cornered.
cornered? its, not even my bs, *looks at topic* huh it says bertin.
EDIT: wait no, I get it (I should start a poll) im getting sick of people saying this, lets look at it this way, pull the 2 accounts out and look at there records there as a whole, so we got sonicandamy his record profile- loves sonic rush bosses, I think TAing is meh, and ring records are gay (I only have like 1 or 2 submissions for those), my point is you guys have chatroom logs were I even make fun of ring records. as for my records they have all been proved and no one has a problem with my times. also note sonicandamy has no submissions for STT.
then there is the bertin account, play's STT, sonic chaos, and sonic rush (there maybe be more I dont look up his records) ok, so looking at STT i'll start with this, WTH is his best board on that game!?! those freakin ring records! the score board is mostly his to, now look at my sonic rush scores, more importantly look up how many score submissions are on the bertin account, im pretty sure he hasn't submit anything. as for the times... I dont know what to say about those since that mystery hasn't been solved so im not judging him as a TAer yet. also, im pretty sure he has never ever submited any proof for any records he has ever got. as for me I hate when people suspect me of lieing, thats why I always send you fools proof.
anyways, the whole point of me wasting my time and life to make this is because, heh when this is all over, and you guys that doubt me finally learn "hay...they aren't the same people" im going to pull one of the biggest "OWNED!" out of this in all of history. I might even change my sig.
(I mean really, haven't you guys ever dealt with an honest person? not everyone is that same...)
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You also said he didnt have a computer, not that he had one that was broken.
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You also said he didnt have a computer, not that he had one that was broken.
ha, its like a reverse of a BSer, were they try to twist there words around to make then sound not guilty, but instead your twisting my words around trying to make me look guilty.
no, I said not one that I was aware of, and I wans't aware of it because it was getting fixed, plus i've never been to his house... you know just read my above edit thats the only thing left I have to say.
EDIT:it's not that im really smart in RL RPG, its just your trying to get some one(me) who really hasn't done anything against TSC rules, and it just won't work.
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And you're dodging the point instead of addressing an accuser's question. Who sounds more suspicious?
You also went from having little if any contact with him, to having talked to him on the phone (yet not asking for nor supplying any proof of his times). He, in turn, went from having no computer at all to having a computer being fixed. I don't see this as coincidence.
That, and the way you talk is becoming even more suspicious the more you dodge the point. Observe:
lets look at it this way, pull the 2 accounts out and look at there records there as a whole, so we got sonicandamy his record profile- loves sonic rush bosses, I think TAing is meh, [stuff].
then there is the bertin account, play's STT, sonic chaos, and sonic rush [stuff]
Alright, here both accounts are being referred to in the third person. It's not "my account," but "sonicandamy his record profile," which, besides being lolengrish, implies that either a) it's not your account (unlikely) or b) it's one of many accounts. (Edit: Also note that boss attacking technically is time attacking.)
That, and the fact that there are different categories which you yourself state, is suspicious.
anyways, the whole point of me wasting my time and life to make this is because, heh when this is all over, and you guys that doubt me finally learn "hay...they aren't the same people" im going to pull one of the biggest "OWNED!" out of this in all of history.
The fact that you say you're wasting time doesn't help your cause either, especially if it turns out to be true.
Care to answer? Or will you dodge the point again?
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I knew by making that post that it would make some people suspicous of me, but it's main purpose was to seprate who belives me and who doesn't. and you sir, don't :). but ya, I bet a lot of people won't before the end of this. and, if he isn't on today it will most certainly end on the 19th
quote... umm you"(Edit: Also note that boss attacking technically is time attacking.)"
...you better take that back...
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And you're dodging the point instead of addressing an accuser's question. Who sounds more suspicious?
You also went from having little if any contact with him, to having talked to him on the phone (yet not asking for nor supplying any proof of his times). He, in turn, went from having no computer at all to having a computer being fixed. I don't see this as coincidence.
talking to him on the phone once these past days is little contact, as for asking for proof, you can bet i've told him all about this topic, he doesn't tell me anything though that would be considered proof or disproof of his times, I just dont ask for proof, and plus think about it, it would be awkward for your best friend to BS you...I may seem mean but im not that mean.
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I don't care about this, because Robotnik Winter is such a retarded stage name anyway.
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/me run
er um yeah. lol S&A. seriously.
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I don't care about this, because Robotnik Winter is such a retarded stage name anyway.
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/me run
er um yeah. lol S&A. seriously.
lol about what:)?
lol i gavehim a challenge to be the master of all levels with robotnick or egg in the name.
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Death Egg (both Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles versions)
Final Egg
Egg Quarters
Egg Rocket
Egg Fleet
Egg Utopia
All the Advance 2 bosses except the extra zone, a good number of Heroes bosses and probably some others as well
and more levels from games I haven't played
Go ahead, let's see him take over all of those.
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lol dont worry I'll tell him, he takes egg things very seriously XD, but what is egg rocket I've never heard of it?
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Let's also see him get the records for Egg Breaker and Egg Dealer. Oh, that's right. The disc isn't working. Yeah, right...
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Let's also see him get the records for Egg Breaker and Egg Dealer. Oh, that's right. The disc isn't working. Yeah, right...
he broke his shadow the hellgehog doing a goron specail chop on his gamecube :P (it was pissing him off) and the gamecube also broke... poor disc...
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Psst learn how to spell.
Death Egg (both Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles versions)
We'll add Knuckles in Sonic 2 for flavor.
And...
Scrambled Egg, Crystal Egg, Sleeping Egg, Electric Egg, the Sonic Drift 2 version of Death Egg, Egg Hornet, Egg Viper, Egg Walker, Eggman 1, Eggman 2, Egg Hawk, Egg Albatross, Egg Emperor, Egg Factory, Egg Wyvern, Egg Genesis, Egg Cerberus...
Anything I missed that Groudon and SM didn't already cover?
EDIT: Still amazing how he's dodging the point by not even attempting to provide some kind of proof on how the computer went from nonexistant to "fixed from being broken."
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lol, im not dodging anything i told you about the computor crap you can ask him all that 2morrow. as for the egg levels im not talking to him on the phone right now but he will see 2morrow (around 5:00ish pm my time)
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ok ive been gone for a long time but im back once again i gotta say this what the hell? just erase all my friggan times i used checkpoints ok there i said lets finish all this.
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That and we could ban you.
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That and we could ban you.
would that mess with my account? since we use the same comp.
p.s. hes fixing his times
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hey, guys... I TOLD U WE WERENT THE SAME PPL! OWNED!!!*runs out into the street* OWNED!1!! *gets hit by a car.*
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You havent proved this.
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You havent proved this.
lmao............. no really i'll whip out the pic, dont make me...
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do it do it do it
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Ok, I see your times are gone, bertin, but what about your Rings and Scores. Are they bsed too? This is one of the few games Rolken actually spent a lot of time on so I don't see how you were able to defeat so many scores and Ring counts.
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I think we need a statement from Bertin. If he's removed his times, it's basically an admission of BSing, and needs a BANHAMMER unless it can be justified. If not we need proof or BANHAMMER. This has gone on long enough.
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no the ring and scores are real. only the times were fake. and douglas stay outta this.
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^The entire site gets an opinion, bertin. Everybody's stats are hurt even the tiniest bit when one person cheats, and like with a stock, one stat is enough to give you a part.
And douglas is too right, this has gone on for too long, it seems like latel we do a lot of talking and don't act.
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no the ring and scores are real. only the times were fake. and douglas stay outta this.
Stay out? Why, because I'm talking sense?
You submitted multiple fake stats, and you only took them down because you got caught. You've also not apologised, just been aggressive. This means you are not trustworthy. I call BANHAMMER.
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I second the notion.
Its also the second times hes been caught doing this. Some people never change I guess.
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guys... calm down, he's one of those people that gets mad when you start calling things he "really" did (cause I did see these and you guys have chat log of it) he could even get a sample scorce of one of his levels and I could take a pic if ya want it wouldnt take but a couple of mins and i think if it's to not get him banned he'll probubly do it? besides, this how thing started because of ours sites crapy rules. he started doing the TAing before the "you cant restart your time in midlevel rule was up" i remember because I was in the chat while someone said "modifies rules" and then after all his work you guys change the rules and try to take them all away? im sure he was probubly pissed after you guys came up to him with this amiright? this was all just a
simple complex mistake, but an accident that should be looked over. and to prove he's not just a flat out lier look up when that rule went up, proving that he really did not want to lie and look when his last TA time went up. I think he stoped TAing when the new rule came up.
SUMMARY:I think he didn't want to lie but didn't want to lose all his times he worked a long time to get. I CALL "GUYS YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK OVER THE FACTS MORE CAREFULY before the whole lolban crap"
EDIT: bertin is still talking it just he's pming rolken cuz he's tired of talking to you guys.
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He's not been helpful. If there was a rules issue he should have said that. I said he shouldn't be banned if it was justified. I've fallen foul of rules I wasn't aware of too. However, I corrected my mistake, apologised and provided some proof of revised times without being asked. See the difference?
I don't think it's unreasonable to say he should be banned when his post explicitly states "only the times were fake". That wording implies cheating. Moreover, I stand by the fact that he only took them down when pressed hard and the lack of an apology does not help his case.
Anyway, this isn't helping. S&A, sticking up for a friend is all very well but this is his problem now. I think it'd help this get resolved if you let him make his excuses instead of doing it for him.
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he started doing the TAing before the "you cant restart your time in midlevel rule was up"
oh sure, that explains why after the first time we caught him doing it, and warned him about it, he did it again.
Great logic there kiddo
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I think it'd help this get resolved if you let him make his excuses instead of doing it for him.
I could, but I know how you guys play this bs game, and it's pretty dirty from old topic's ive seen. and if i just left this alone, and knowing his attitude towards this he might already of been banned, so im not just an excuss im more of a ... friendly translater. he reset all his time's, and thats his apology (some people apologize in different ways) and. now everything is fixed and it's just being way past drawn out by you. when im 99.99% sure he will never do this again. we have nothing else to worry about. but hay, this is a public chat we can keep on talking about this if you want.
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he started doing the TAing before the "you cant restart your time in midlevel rule was up"
oh sure, that explains why after the first time we caught him doing it, and warned him about it, he did it again.
do you have proof of this?(chat log and a submission date) I said I think but im pretty sure he didn't.
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Sorry, removing times when backed into a corner does not constitute an apology, nor does it constitute any sort of proof he won't do it again. As I've said, I've fallen foul of the rules myself, and this didn't happen.
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he could of just gave you a list and made you remove all his times, but no he saw his error and reset them himself.
EDIT: o ya, not to mention the times were his first submissions, after that they were all honest rings and score records.
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The onus is on him to keep his stats legit, not anyone else, and he only changed them after a rather large amount of pressure. Would he have changed them himself without it? Doubtful.
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I seems doubtful but, he had every intention to making this right when he got back. it just seems like he got alot of pressure because he was gone. and then after 2 weeks when he finally came back this topic already flared up into a whole big mess. but he changed his times as soon as he got to my house.
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He was made aware of the issue while still here, and failed to deal with it (check the early part of the thread). Only when pressured was it dealt with. Moreover, he had two accounts (against the rules) and he left for two weeks *just after* posting a bunch of crap in this thread? Give me a break. There's more than enough grounds to ban both of you for this nonsense, and there's still no semblance of an apology from either him or you for the attempted derailing of the BS call with pointless stuff about other people's stats or post counts.
Also get rid of the gifs. Seriously.
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If I could be arsed, Id look through the chat logs I have to find the first time he was called up about resetting the timer at checkpoints.
As it stands, many well repected members of the community were present at the time and remember it. mike and eredani being the first two people I think of.
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well can they please provide the evidence, I still stand by my client as not guilty "phoniex wright- OBJECTION!" but, maybe the main reason that you cant find a log is that he didn't?
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If I could be arsed
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ok i see you guys are still at it... look if you want to flame me fine it wont make ur **** any bigger!
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Having a "bad temper" really isn't a good enough excuse. Being at The Sonic Center is a privilege. If you aren't able to uphold to our regulations, then you don't deserve to be here. It's not just the bullshit times, it's the attitude of the member in question. I understand that you may be his "better half", S&A, but we need to hear from him as opposed to from you, and what we hear from him is nothing but "gtfo and leave me alone". He's not rectifying the situation, just making it so much worse. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of assholes here (my lips are sealed. X)) but one way or another, they are either trustworthy or don't put on tantrums like this (Eh....).
S&A, I can completely relate to you however. I've brought my best friend to The Sonic Center and he was accused of cheating and ultimately quit. He didn't make the right decisions to fight against TSC, it was mostly out of anger, so I wholeheartedly understand. He's your best friend and you'd do anything for him, as I would have for goalie. He's gotten over it, as have I (would have pwned if he stayed and competed with a best friend) but that's out the window. Unfortunately, I didn't know much about Sonic Advance 2, nor do I now, and I've never seen him play so I can't say a thing on that factor, but it appears you are able to provide proof for bertin. That's a good thing.
Long story short:
1. Get rid of the gifs from your sig, now, it's very annoying and distracting.
2. Don't be a messenger, we need to hear from bertin, if he cares enough for his account, he'll resolve his problems with his anger and come. If not, why should we trust him again if he doesn't put the effort.
3. Pic proof might not be enough for Sonic Triple Trouble as the checks are a big problem, even with scores. He can restart the level from a checkpoint and his time bonus will be substantial. That's another reason why he's scores might have to go.
4. I commend you for standing by your friend, but when your friend is wrong, you have to understand that it's affecting other people in the process. I wish I could have done more for goalie, but there was virtually nothing I could do... Just think about that S&A.
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bertin have lied to us several times about his stats, and when I rightfully asked him for proof as he had claimed impossible times, both of you started throwing immature insults to members instead of just giving us some damn proof. This topic is only supposed to be about bertin and the stats he have submitted, so I suggest that you all stop posting crap and get back on the topic at hand.
When I asked bertin about his dubious times in the chat, he lied and told to me that he didn't have anymore times that used checkpoints; contradicting what he have said in this topic. bertin have been constantly refusing to co-operate with anyone who have talked to him about his times, and I can easily pull out logs to prove this if made necessery.
I seems doubtful but, he had every intention to making this right when he got back. it just seems like he got alot of pressure because he was gone. and then after 2 weeks when he finally came back this topic already flared up into a whole big mess. but he changed his times as soon as he got to my house.
The main reason bertin got pressured is because you kept defending him without anything that resembles good reasoning, you have posted a lot of crap in this topic which only serve to make the situation worse for him, it wouldn't go this far if you two didn't fuel the fire. I mean you claim that you know nothing about STT and bertin's times in that game, so why did you feel the need to defend him in a matter you aren't familiar with? And why didn't he admit to cheating and correct his times in the first place?
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The main reason bertin got pressured is because you kept defending him without anything that resembles good reasoning, you have posted a lot of crap in this topic which only serve to make the situation worse for him, it wouldn't go this far if you two didn't fuel the fire. I mean you claim that you know nothing about STT and bertin's times in that game, so why did you feel the need to defend him in a matter you aren't familiar with? And why didn't he admit to cheating and correct his times in the first place?
He's defending him because they are best friends. That's good enough reason as any as what I did with goalie, but like I already said, there's a fine line as to what you can do.
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He's defending him because they are best friends. That's good enough reason as any as what I did with goalie, but like I already said, there's a fine line as to what you can do.
Yes, I realise this after reading your post. But the way in which he's defending him by going off-topic and insulting other members isn't really acceptable.
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that was irrelevant. anyway sonicam im not lying about scores i dont see anyway they would help.... hows this... i make a gay movie and you watch it. or better yet rol... no someone else will watch it.
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He's defending him because they are best friends. That's good enough reason as any as what I did with goalie, but like I already said, there's a fine line as to what you can do.
Yes, I realise this after reading your post. But the way in which he's defending him by going off-topic and insulting other members isn't really acceptable.
Yes, I agree, it's unacceptable.
bertin: Show the vid to me or someone else.
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i dont have it now but ill make it.
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Ok, do so as soon as possible.
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ok, i have his video, stoping talking about me, and give me a link to upload this video (not youtube my account there is going gay for some odd reason)
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P3D3WHZV grab some popcorn.
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29800 on GT1. Seems to indicate that the scores are legit (or at least possible).
I still call fake times + multiple accounts + abusive/uncooperative behaviour = temp ban at least.
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Sigs nuked and bertin banned and his stats destroyed. Cherry-picking false stats is not a malaise I care to get into.
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didn't see that coming
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dam ive done spilt my drink!