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Sonic Central => General Sonic => Topic started by: VMU on December 30, 2006, 12:23:23 am
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i make 2 things and you post more
1. he has a gene named after him
2.he has cool shoes (which i really want)
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3. He is not FAT like Mario :-)
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4. He doesnt go "plumbing" with his brother.
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5. He isn't human.
6. Sonic is in search of jewels while Mario is looking for a princess that gets into trouble on a daily basis.
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7. Sonic can run at speeds 1000x higher than the fat moustached plumber.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree with both of Chao_Fan's points.
5. Humans>hedgehogs. I'm always complaining about Sonic X and its way of making humans look bad.
They're always slow, stupid, and weak, and even a 6-year-old rabbit has more fighting ability.
But real humans are smart... *thinks about Sonic X and 4Kids* ...uh, maybe not. But at least they can be.
And there's no way a 3-foot-tall hedgehog is stronger than a grown man.
6. Sonic rescues tiny animals, Tails, Amy, dumb humans, and anything else that gets into trouble on a daily basis.
My interpretation of #7: Sonic is one of the few game characters that isn't really slow.
(Well, Mario wasn't too bad in SMB3 and SMW, but he's really slow in all his new games.)
EDIT: DUH! I forgot to add new reasons.
8. Sonic Adventure
9. His games contain no more than 30% randomness, while Mario games have an average of at least 70%.
(Numbers are made up.)
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10. he is blue
11. he doesnt wear a hat
12. he has attitude
13.Sonic adventure 2
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14.-He's always running.
15.-His name sounds cool
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16.it`s not repetitive junk
17.sonic the hedgehog(2006)
18.they are STORYLINES mario dosen`t have plots or new enemies or chaos control
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19.pointy ears
20.because we could name 20
21. super sonic
22. sonic hereos
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23: sonic doesnt team up with his brother to harm turtles and the kind, or eat mushrooms to get big
24: he collects emeralds to stop evil. mario only saves a princess who is kidnapped more than mokuba in yugioh
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4. He doesnt go "plumbing" with his brother.
^ WIN.
25. Sonic's girlfriend isn't playing at a relationship just so he'll pull her kingdom out of the trenches every time something goes down.
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26:sonic music is better... >_>
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27: (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4f/Supermariobros.jpg/200px-Supermariobros.jpg)
Can someone remember this movie?!
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28: He can run on walls
29: He can grind rails with his shoes
Mario can't do those two
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29. He served as the basis of the awesome Shadow the Hedgehog, who is slowly becoming more and more of a strange and interesting character.
30. Time attackability.
31. Created this awesome website as a result of reason 30.
32. Didn't have "retard" stages (i.e. retard snowland, retard pass, retard boardwalk, retard island 2, etc.)
33. SUPER MARIO BADASS CROQUET TIME! BOWSER HITS THE BALL WITH HIS XTREME FIREBALL POWER AND KNOCKS OUT MARIO, CAUSING A CATFIGHT BETWEEN HIM AND PETEY PIRANHA! XTREEEEEEEEEEME!
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PsyBorg, you just overlapped #29. Not that it matters- Mario already ran on walls in Super Mario World,
and he could even run on the ceiling better than Sonic could using a star in Yoshi's Island.
29 can be moved to 28, and 28 can be removed.
about 31: Best reason yet. Or second, after #8 (of course).
about 29: um... yeah... strange and interesting is one way to put it... especially seeing some fan works...
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34: Sonic beat Mario in the Console War.
35: The collectables (Rings) can be retained if dropped.
36: There are 2 Sonic radio stations compared to Mario's 1.
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37: Mario is aimed at children while Sonic is for those who think they can handle him.
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38. Sonic Team makes action platformers, Nintendo makes grueling gauntlets of exploration-based puzzle collectathons.
39. Sonic has a personality, Mario is a hollow fat guy.
40. Sonic characters speak, Mario characters yelp and grunt ridiculously.
41. Sonic has a Shadow, Mario has yet no Jorge (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8494/mariojosebjj5.jpg)
42. Sonic takes place in a real-world backdrop whereas Mario is made out of paper.
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@ Chao_Fan: This is oh so true! I hoped more people would understand this!
@ eggFL: 100%ly agree! ^^
43. Sonic Rush (This should have been reason number 1!)
44. Sonic the Hedgehog (MD)
45. Sonic the Hedgehog CD
46. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (MS/GG)
47. Sonic the Hedgehog (MS/GG)
48. Shadow the Hedgehog (the game)
49. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
(13. Sonic Adventure 2)
(22. Sonic Heroes)
(8. Sonic Adventure)
50. Because of almost any other Sonic game.
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This topic is lol.
Chao_Fan and Siavash, do you *seriously* believe Sonic isn't a kids game while Mario is? Let me give you a little history lesson. Sonic was created to be Sega's flagship character when the key demographic was the under-18 male. These days, the key demographic is the 18-25 year-old with money to spend (still more male than female, but that's changing). Why was he successful among said age group? Precisely because we thought he was cooler, less "kiddy" than Mario. That didn't make it any less targeted at kids than Mario, just marketed differently.
The same is still true. Sonic sells in today's key demo because we grew up with him, and sells in the "kids" demo for the same reasons it always did. If Sonic 06 didn't have Sonic in it, nobody would have looked twice at it, and that's a fact - look at how many new game characters in his ilk spurn a decent title, some mediocre ones and then vanish into obscurity (not that I'm saying Sonic 06 is great, mind).
Don't believe me? Then explain why Mega Collection et al sell so well.
My main reason Sonic was better than Mario, other than the aforementioned mass-marketed coolness? Gameplay. Unfortunately, that advantage was lost in the transition to 3D; Mario 64 and it's successors are some of the best playing games ever, while I'm constantly frustrated by the niggles in 3D Sonic.
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uhh no it's a proven fact that Sonic is not intended for younger players. New Zealand went so far as to ban sales of Sonic games because it gives children nightmares. Are you saying that New Zealand is stupid??
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Yes, but it wouldn't be giving children nightmares if it wasn't children playing it now would it. Adult-oriented content (ooh-err), when banned, doesn't get banned for giving kids nightmares. Spectacular own goal there eggy :) Also yes, I'm anti-censorship as a rule so I will say New Zealand is stupid.
There's nothing wrong with it being a kids game, nor is there anything wrong with adults enjoying it. I'm just telling you how it's marketed to leverage the younger players demo (with associated cartoons, toys etc), and why it's therefore inaccurate to say it's not a children's game while Mario is.
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@ Chao_Fan: This is oh so true! I hoped more people would understand this!
@ eggFL: 100%ly agree! ^^
43. Sonic Rush (This should have been reason number 1!)
hell ya
51. amy
52. rouge (meh :P)
53. no cream in 06
54. piko hammer
55. hedgehog hammer minigame
56. super amy (coming soon)
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Also yes, I'm anti-censorship as a rule so I will say New Zealand is stupid.
Concurred.
Then again, New Zealand consists of the New Zealanders we don't claim as our own. Take Russell Crowe as an example: he's really a Kiwi and we acknowledge him as such when he's doing stupid things like throwing phones at people. However when he's doing well for himself, making awesome movies and the like, he's a true blue Aussie.
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I was just joking about New Zealand. u_u
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Also yes, I'm anti-censorship as a rule so I will say New Zealand is stupid.
Concurred.
Then again, New Zealand consists of the New Zealanders we don't claim as our own. Take Russell Crowe as an example: he's really a Kiwi and we acknowledge him as such when he's doing stupid things like throwing phones at people. However when he's doing well for himself, making awesome movies and the like, he's a true blue Aussie.
Hah, try being Scottish - great example is when the GB women's curling team were doing badly at the Winter Olympics an English paper called them "Scottish housewives", and when they won gold the same paper called them "British athletes".
Not that it's such a problem these days given we don't succeed at anything >_>
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Even though I prefer Sonic's first 3 games over any of Mario's, for each thing you can say that is better about Sonic, you can come up with one for Mario. For one thing, at least when Mario went into 3D he got it right on his first try. Sonic has yet to nail a solid 3D game. Also Sonic's 2D games as of late have been only meh IMO. Of course Sonic fans are going to be able to come up with a bunch of reasons Sonic is better (as nonsensical as some of them are), but Mario fans could do the same. I will add one entry to the list, and that's this:
57: Sonic was the King of Platformers during the 90s. Sure, Mario's games were good, but Sonic 1 through Sonic 3 & Knuckles were better.
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Alondite is right, Sonic's 2D games are better than Mario's, even on the GBA. I have to admit that Sonic has had problems in the 3D department, but hopefully that will all change soon. Still, the 3D Sonic games are pretty good. I have one...
58: Sonic is better on the GBA than Mario, and Mario is Nintendo's mascot.
*braces for it*
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No Chao_Fan, Alondite said that Sonic's 2D games have been meh as of late. You have a different opinion than him, you can't say that he is right, you would be contradicting yourself. >:O
Anyway, look, it's like this. Sonic and Mario do completely different things in 3D. Sonic remains a classic-style action platformer. Mario does puzzles and fetch quest shit. Granted, Mario is doing really good fetch quest shit while Sonic's games are lacking polish. However Sonic is RADICALLY COOL. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Kickass oranges.
On the GBA? It's no contest. The Mario games are awesome timeless classics. They are inspiring and give us a taste of what could have been. Whereas Sonic's ADD games on the Advance don't hold up to Mario or other Sonic games on any console.
Needless to say I'd take Sonic over Mario any day of the week. At least until they make a Mario for Xbox. (which is inevitable!!! INEVITABLE!!)
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Needless to say I'd take Sonic over Mario any day of the week. At least until they make a Mario for Xbox. (which is inevitable!!! INEVITABLE!!)
lolno, not with the sales the Wii's been having. Nor do I think XBox 360 or PS3 need Mario; your Oblivions, GoWs and MGSs of the world are going to appeal to those console's key demos far more.
The thing that grates me most about modern Sonic (other than gameplay issues, obviously) is that I really did think Sonic was cool before the 3D titles, but now with the Tails-being-a-complete-wuss-ness, the Amy-being-so-badly-stereotyped-it's-sexist-ness, and the Shadow-is-utterly-one-dimensional-ness, it's lost the magic. For me, at least.
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ummm.... topic:500 things that make sonic better than mario, keep teh list going.
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douglas: Like you said, modern. SA is not modern, as it's different from the latest games,
not to mention that it's in the earlier half of Sonic's history. Sonic made a successful jump into 3-D,
and this opinion is held by many, even if they don't know it's the best game ever made.
And the complaints you have are all about the truly modern games, or rather, the Sonic X-influenced games.
eggFL: Sonic wins on GBA, as Mario doesn't even have games that you could use to compare to Sonic.
Sure, they're good. I haven't played the GBA Sonics enough, but Mario could easily be better.
But those aren't even true GBA games, anyway. That's like saying Sonic has an awesome collection
of games on GCN because he has Mega Collection and SADX. Oh, wait, isn't that me? Ah, never mind.
And what was that thing about Mario on XBox supposed to mean?
You think he'd suddenly be cooler? Are you trying to prove your XBox-fanboyness?
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So where are these 500 things.
ill sue u all
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douglas: Like you said, modern. SA is not modern, as it's different from the latest games,
not to mention that it's in the earlier half of Sonic's history.
Sonic Adventure does not belong in the "earlier half of Sonic's history". It's part of the new generation Sonic that has OUTLIVED the old generation considerably. All the 3D Sonics starting with Sonic Adventure as a collective whole belong in the same group and deserve recognition together as the current gen of Sonic.
And what was that thing about Mario on XBox supposed to mean?
You think he'd suddenly be cooler? Are you trying to prove your XBox-fanboyness?
Well it couldn't be PS3 because that would be the first to go.
Needless to say I'd take Sonic over Mario any day of the week. At least until they make a Mario for Xbox. (which is inevitable!!! INEVITABLE!!)
lolno, not with the sales the Wii's been having. Nor do I think XBox 360 or PS3 need Mario; your Oblivions, GoWs and MGSs of the world are going to appeal to those console's key demos far more.
The thing that grates me most about modern Sonic (other than gameplay issues, obviously) is that I really did think Sonic was cool before the 3D titles, but now with the Tails-being-a-complete-wuss-ness, the Amy-being-so-badly-stereotyped-it's-sexist-ness, and the Shadow-is-utterly-one-dimensional-ness, it's lost the magic. For me, at least.
A while ago I have retrospectively realized that Sonic wasn't truly born to me until Sonic Adventure, and it has been seriously nothing /but/ magic ever since.
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Sonic Adventure does not belong in the "earlier half of Sonic's history". It's part of the new generation Sonic that has OUTLIVED the old generation considerably. All the 3D Sonics starting with Sonic Adventure as a collective whole belong in the same group and deserve recognition together as the current gen of Sonic.
And what was that thing about Mario on XBox supposed to mean?
You think he'd suddenly be cooler? Are you trying to prove your XBox-fanboyness?
Well it couldn't be PS3 because that would be the first to go.
A while ago I have retrospectively realized that Sonic wasn't truly born to me until Sonic Adventure, and it has been seriously nothing /but/ magic ever since.
1. Sonic Adventure looks and plays kind of differently from the newer games. Plus, it's old.
I understand your point, though. It is the beginning of the 3-D platformer set.
Also, by saying that the new generation outlived the old generation,
you are showing that you already know about this shocking discovery. Right? (More on that after.)
2. That's not the point. Why would Mario improve on another company's systems?
(Of course, it won't happen. Unless this information is false, Nintendo once said that they
won't become a 3rd-party developer. So if Mario can't be on a Nintendo system, he dies.)
3. I thought you were complaining about how bad SA is in an earlier thread.
Anyway, I agree on the "wasn't truly born" part (I liked Sonic games already, but
I didn't really get into the Sonic series until SA), but I don't agree that it's "nothing but magic".
The 3-D games have a lot of flaws. Yes, even SA has flaws. I can overlook most of them,
and somehow I can enjoy the 3-D games as much as or more than the 2-D games.
By "most", I mean that I still get frustrated occasionally, and that I still HATE the new voices.
Okay, so to conclude this off-topic post, I'd like to present this less-than-detailed Sonic timeline.
It shows one of the shocking facts that shatters the false image of SA that is held by so many.
In case anyone's wondering, it ends at June '07 to stay at a simple 16 years.
I marked the current time on it, although it's so close that it barely matters.
Yes, that's right. SA is over 8 years old, yet it was released 7 1/2 years after the first game! OH NO!!!!!!!11111one
There are two other facts, one about Robotnik's name, and the other about Sonic's appearance, but they're even more off-topic.
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I thought you were complaining about how bad SA is in an earlier thread.
I always said SA is the dumbest 3D Sonic. But it fired up everyone's imaginations and set the stage for the new identity of Sonic that would eventually start stride after stride for 3D Sonic as well as games that are overall considerably better than it. Between all the 3D Sonics, the series has done great things, and as a whole, I'd probably take them over the 2D legacy.
It's like saying "can you imagine Girl A's face on Girl B's body?" Imagine a Sonic game with Heroes stage length and consistency, SA2 gameplay and controls, and Sonic06 graphics, style, and soundtrack. 2D Sonic couldn't compete with that. Really, nothing in this world could.
I still HATE the new voices.
I like them... <_<
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But which one would you steal the camera from (ie which is *least* broken)?
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well the camera has never really been an real issue to me, so I'm not sure I can say.... But I guess the right answer could be Sonic06. All the other games barely even let you move it. The freedom in the camera probably lends itself to a better type of stage design. But having to move the camera is a liability. In Sonic06, I press jump with my index finger. It's not a big deal, but I partly wish I didn't.
No, you know what... I pick SA2 Knuckles/Rouge camera.
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I agree that a 3-D Sonic probably has more potential. (It would be interesting to see what
can be done with 2-D, though... like a 3-D sidescroller with some modern features (grade system).)
If I could be the developer or producer of a Sonic Adventure, I'd try to do better than to take the
best of other Sonic games. Probably easier said than done, but this is fantasy, anyway.
I'd take SA or SA2 gameplay (while attempting to fix the minor flaws), a new grade/rank system,
the SADX camera (seems like everyone forgets how good this one is when it's not being
blocked out by Auto Camera leftovers), better-than-Sonic06 graphics (if it's for a next-gen
system, that is), basically-like-SA controls (the floaty feel is nice, but I like how SA makes
Sonic feel like he actually has weight, and without having exaggerated physics like N64 Mario games...
also, SA2's multiple commands on one button thing has to go), and a mostly-SA soundtrack
(that takes various styles from various Sonic games), including the original SA voices,
or at least sound-alike actors.
This off-topic post reminds me again that I should make a thread for my Sonic game ideas.
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I have sick ideas for Sonic games. Sonic06 made me think of a new one. (all my ideas before Sonic06 were spinoff-ish except for one, and that one only features 2 characters, Sonic Shadow and Eggman) Make a thread, I'll tell you all about it and make pictures. It's SA-like. Characters are Sonic, a new hedgehog who plays TCGs, a female cop fox who uses a handgun, Shadow who lost his powers and has to use a handgun, Espio, and probably Metal Sonic who has the power to morph into other characters from the Sonic universe. The villain is a snake-like character named Venom and Sonic has a duel disk to give him new abilities like being able to materialize dash plates on the fly. (by throwing a card on the ground in front of him when he runs)
Oh and you can't possibly ask for a better soundtrack than Sonic06's. It sets the standard for which our highest expectations and fantasies will go by. That's my h.o.
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I have sick ideas for Sonic games. Sonic06 made me think of a new one. (all my ideas before Sonic06 were spinoff-ish except for one, and that one only features 2 characters, Sonic Shadow and Eggman) Make a thread, I'll tell you all about it and make pictures. It's SA-like. Characters are Sonic, a new hedgehog who plays TCGs, a female cop fox who uses a handgun, Shadow who lost his powers and has to use a handgun, Espio, and probably Metal Sonic who has the power to morph into other characters from the Sonic universe. The villain is a snake-like character named Venom and Sonic has a duel disk to give him new abilities like being able to materialize dash plates on the fly. (by throwing a card on the ground in front of him when he runs)
Reading that made me feel physically sick :(
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I can't even begin to tell you how awesome my idea is.
You'll see.
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59. Sonic has a girlfriend (Mario will die alone).
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Mario has Princess Peach. And sometimes old Pauline shows up. And he once had to rescue Daisy. >_>
And the new Amy is a mad stalker. (The old one was cute.)
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I think that Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend. She is only the princess helped by Mario in some games.
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And the new Amy is a mad stalker. (The old one was cute.)
i wouldnt say stalker. but yeah, she is a huge fangirl of sonic's at the least.
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I think that Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend. She is only the princess helped by Mario in some games.
err how old are you?
She bakes him cake. CAKE!!
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What I meant was that I have never heard of an official source that Peach was Mario's girfriend. However, in the manual of Sonic Advance (yes, I read the manuals of my games xD) it is said that Amy is Sonic's girlfriend.
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59. Sonic has a girlfriend (Mario will die alone).
er um.. peach?
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Have you read my post above? >_>
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until they make MARIO FOR XBOX
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Wait wait wait. Where's his emo black friend packing stupid amounts of guns? I call BS.
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He's not black, he's hispanic.
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Shadow is hispanic?! o_O
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No not Shadow. I thought he was talking about Jorge.
Or maybe I didn't... but since I did in fact think of a Shadow clone for Mario, AND linked to a image of him in this thread, I thought it would be perfect if I pretended to assume that he was talking about him.
see below:
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8494/mariojosebjj5.jpg)
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mario has no real plot to it
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I had an observation a few days ago. The violent, realistic, and "mature" games out there are in fact more expressive than Nintendo franchises. And Nintendo franchises are kiddy and are viewed as being more creative for that reason, but if anything the opposite is true. Nintendo tends to be on the primitive end as far as next gen multimedia expression goes. They stick to their styles, and that's a good thing, but you get more personality and life playing most first person shooters, etc
This is also one of the big differences between Sonic and Mario.
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Creative and expressive? Sonic games use the most derivative, clichéd plots ever. EVER. If you think they're not, you don't read enough. Their "personality" and "life" are tacked on by marketing execs looking to leverage the key demo, and it shows.
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Well I hope I don't have to read more to be able to see that.
Sonic (or anything) doesn't have to be original to be cool.
And whether or not Sonic is original has nothing to do with how expressive it is.
Let me put it this way... comparing a book to a movie. Now the movie can be a mainstream action flick that's really cliched and tired, and the book could be really clever and original, but the movie is regardless more expressive than the book, because it's a movie, and it comes alive with live actors, dialogue, etc.
And that's much like comparing Mario to Sonic, or Mario to any of the big 'mature' vg game franchises, with Mario being the book.
But I guess 'creative' doesn't apply to what I'm saying since the book is most definitely not less creative just because it's a book.
Not to say Sonic isn't creative, either. Though you wouldn't find that out from the plot, I guess. But you see, there's other things besides plot.
And Sonic characters are consistently great because of how well they're executed. With what you're saying you'd think that the new ones are wearing shades and baseball caps and carrying skateboards with them, and saying contemporary slang terms. (instead of "radical") But... they're not. They're just Sonic characters, and they're amazing. They've fabricated a franchise in which anime angst anti-hero, big-busted Fujiko clone, mystical ninja, NY detective, 12 year old cooties, a typical loli, a prepubescent Green lantern, a tech-savvy sidekick, and a go-getter "I can do anything" main character all share the same world, one in which it all works, and it's great. They filled their roles and their archetypes, they earned their fans, and not only are they consistent with the franchise but they've come to define it.
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My beef was with the "creative" side of things. Also the statement that each character embodies a stereotype reinforces my statement about marketing execs doing the writing: need another generalised segment of the populous to love your product Throw in their mascot, it's all good.
We also seem to disagree on the word "expressive" - I think of ideas being communicated with that word, and just because an actor is saying words rather than me having reading them doesn't lessen that communication. In fact, with literature people automatically use their own thoughts and imagination to interpret it; when this is spoon-fed to you by visuals and sound, I would argue there is less connection and hence the communicative power is lessened.
Whatever, I'm not saying it's wrong that Sonic game plots are the way they are, just that it doesn't make them better than Mario games.
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60. Sonic can fly without wings (Riders) while Mario needs to go to space (Galaxy)
61. Adventure 2 owns Sunshine.
62. Sonic is better than Mario in the Olympic Games.
63. Sonic's TV shows own Mario's
64. Tails owns Luigi (The boy Tails, not the girl Tails.)
65. Mario says "Yahoo!", Sonic says "Ya!" and "That was cool!"
66. Sega gives their voice actor's disguises. (Adam Caroleson = Jason Griffith)
67. Mario likes to stuff himself down pipes, Sonic just rolls right through them.
68. Sonic owns Mario in Brawl.
69. Sega has a cooler logo.
70. Sonic Center owns the Mario competition site that doesn't exist.
71. Sonic survives fires on his chest, while Mario would burn to a crisp.
72. Sonic > Mario
73. Sonic >>>>>>>>> Mario
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60. Sonic can fly without wings (Riders) while Mario needs to go to space (Galaxy)
more like, Mario can fly without a board >_>
but here's my take on it
74. Mario dedicates an entire game awaited half a decade just to go to space, but Sonic goes to space every time like it's no big deal.
63. Sonic's TV shows own Mario's
no they don't :[
65. Mario says "Yahoo!", Sonic says "Ya!" and "That was cool!"
Mario says "mamma mia!" Sonic says "Piece of cake, no sweat!!~"
it's close but Sonic wins by a small margin
69. Sega has a cooler logo.
Not that relevant...
but you're right >_>
70. Sonic Center owns the Mario competition site that doesn't exist.
Damn right.
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Someone bumped the topic where I posted for first time on this forum... :_ )
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.75HE does not have an annoying voice
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Unless you were being ironic or trolling that was the worst thing to bump with ever.
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76. The Sonic Characters pwns the Mario Characters...
77. He can save the world
78. He fight to the death
79. His games and stages pwns
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80. Sonic has far more idiotic fanboys than Mario
Oh wait that's not a good thing
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topic over
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SkyL wins the thread