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The Lounge => Gaming and Grazing => Topic started by: General Throatstomper on September 23, 2006, 06:42:33 pm
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Bam. First post nuked in favor of rules.
Rules
1) Snaking is allowed. Not snaking is also allowed.
2) Braking/using reverse near an item box is not allowed. In addition, 'A' must be held at all times, unless backing away from a wall.
3) PRB is not allowed. In other words, if your opponent is snaking offroad without a loss of speed, say something.
4) In the event that you are shown finishing first, or you tie with someone else, whoever is awarded 10 points for the win is granted the win for that match. Why? Lag.
5) Preset courses must be selected. Each round will have its own courses that must be chosen. If, for whatever reason, a course not meant to be selected is and is played (simply selecting, say, Figure 8 and not having it chosen will not matter), then whoever selected that course is given a loss for that track, regardless of the results. It sounds Draconian, but come on. It's necessary. Who wants to face someone only selecting a few courses they're good at?
6) Both players must agree, via chat or forum pm, that the set will be ranked in the tournament. The results of an undeclared set should not be reported.
7) Sets will be played "Round Robin" style. This means that everyone will try to play everyone else once. When posting the results in this topic, include who you faced, how many sets were played (only matters in the event of a double or triple draw), and the results of each set (either 2-2 all, 3-1 someone, or 4-0 someone). After everyone plays everyone else, or a week expires, a scoring system will be used to determine place based on each course (3 points for a win 0 points for a loss). For now, the bottom player will be dropped from each round or, in the event of a tie, a sudden death match consisting of 2 Figure 8's and 2 RR's will be played, the loser not advancing to the next round.
In the event of special rules for a round, follow the given instructions. Do not begin a round until told.
Make sure everyone listed is on your friends...list. The list of players or "playas" is as follows:
1) genus: 283530-227259
2) Groudon199: 107434-689727
3) Thorn: 438149-010632
4) yse: 352266-049524
5) PsyBorg: 322184-353188
6) RPG: ?-? (damnit RPG repost your code)
7) Turbos: 201926-809098
The courses to be played, in any order, for round 1 are as follows (you can blame Spinny for this one...):
1) Yoshi Falls
2) Luigi's Mansion
3) Luigi Circuit
4) Baby Park
Starting tommorow, play to your heart's content. now! now! strike while the iron is hot!
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I'm thinking a 4-player tournament would be a good idea. A 2-player tournament doesn't seem right. 4-player races are more exciting, as you know, genus (and pretty much everyone else here).
1) genus: 283530-227259
2) Groudon199: 107434-689727
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I'm in.
1) genus: 283530-227259
2) Groudon199: 107434-689727 (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7866/eggmanfl4.png)
3) Thorn: 438149-010632(http://mysite.verizon.net/vzenxvu2/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/i_knack.gif)
Dunno why I added the emblems, just didn't like the idea of a boring post. Sue me :)
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Right RPG?
fu >_>
Im gonna get ti eventually, there are just things higher up on my wishlist <_<
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4. yse: 352266-049524.
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I'll probably never reach championship, but hey, to me, it's for fun, so I guess I'll do it.
PsyBolgu FC: 322184-353188
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Also, just curious, how exactly will this tournament work?
On a seperate note, a one-on-one tourney would be cool, but I'm worried that some may lie about who won, and a 4 player FFA tourney sounds cool too. It's not really my choice, you guys decide on whatever you want.
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I like the 4-player idea.
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I'm not sure that 4 player would work. I mean, we have enough players for a 2 player MKDS tournament, but a 4 player stretches it a little thin. However, I do have another idea.
Round-robins. This way, lucky items and the like are nonissues. Everyone winds up playing everyone else and after everyone has done so, the bottom few are dropped. Then it divides into regular matches, only with a whacky whacky twist. Would it be too gimmicky to put in place some sort of team system for the semifinals and have the members of that team face each other? Quite possibly.
The round robin will most likely be 4 players but don't rule out 2 and in fact help me decide which to use.
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Did anyone log the last 2 days' posts in this topic?
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Er, no, but I sorta got the idea.
Genus proposed a round-robin tournament, we agreed, I pitched Skype as a possible way to communicate during the tourney, discussion of teaming up during the tournament was raised but not really followed through with.
Oh yeah, and RPG said he'd join if he could borrow a copy of the game.
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RPG borrowed it from chuck, and I've trained him to at least a B-Class snaker. Soon to suck less, if my cruel regimen is to be enacted upon him.
I would be pro skype, but I'm seeing a few statements of paying "low rates per minute" over long distance. And as Australia and North America are far apart, well...
It's free, from what I've gathered, but only for certain areas. So, I don't know. I don't have a mic or speakers, but I'm sure that could be worked out easily enough.
Also Thorn, wait for my pm.
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Im guessing Skype is some form of voice enabled IRC? >_>
If so, Im pretty sure that TeamSpeak is free.
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I'll play. Friend code later...
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Anyone think of a date this tournament would start?
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On second thoughts, the odds of me competing are not particularly high.
Make a time and date and I'll try to fit in, but I make no guarantees. (Note that I have three weeks off school before exams, so any day of the week is fine.)
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Well, I'm really just waiting for a few people to join. I was waiting on Turbos, Sprint, PK, and SDM, and now that Turbos is entering, you all know who to pester into submission.
I'm thinking that regardless of what happens, this begins on Friday, correct time (EST for the pedantic). I mean, it will be the weekend. The weekend man! We get enough matches in when it's the weekdays. Imagine the weekend!
Hope that helps anyone planning on playing.
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Any day's fine by me, but if it's on a weekday, it has to be after 3:00 EDT. I get home from school at 2:30, but I need 30 minutes to recover from the stress at school.
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I think nothing should be set at a certain time. It should be adaptable. And remember, if you don't do this and you end up setting a time I can't attend (i.e. before school is done with for the day), then I probably won't be able to compete.
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This isn't going to be an "ohsnap everyone race at (x) time" kind of thing. Remember, it's a round robin tourney. Play who you can when you can, and it will all come out in the wash. Starting Friday of course.
In other words, if the chatroom is dead there won't be many people to play; conversely, if it's active then make it a point to look for others in the tournament and play them (only once for ranking I might add).
So relative time is not an issue kthx.
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Note: Sunday is my birthday so I wont be on MKDS
Getting drunk with friends in my bedroom instead <_<
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As everyone that's faced me knows, the only way I could not place 1st overall is if I make many huge errors or if items play a huge factor. So as long as those things don't happen too often (items=too random to predict), I'll have the tournament in the bag.
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As everyone that's faced me knows, the only way I could not place 1st overall is if I make many huge errors or if items play a huge factor. So as long as those things don't happen too often (items=too random to predict), I'll have the tournament in the bag.
I almost beat you in my first race with you.
And in the first set of 4 races we did, Sprint beat you.
Dont be so sure your going to win.
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As I said, those errors can cost me 1st overall.
And that was a pretty close finish. But that was because SDM was goofing off in last and Sprint chose the wrong kart with Daisy.
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Starting Friday? Aw crap, I'm moving this weekend and I'm not gonna be on WiFi for days. Matter of fact, if I can't get DSL at my next house I'm screwed. I was really hoping that it would take longer to get competitors. I'll figure something out, but don't wait on me. There'll be more tourneys.
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Ok, so on second though the starting date of the tournament is getting pushed back, likely sometime next week (Thursday maybe?). Not just to accomodate Thorn, but to get people "pumped" "up". Plus, it's looking like more people are not going to make it that week, and a round robin tourney doesn't work as well with 5 people. Or however many we have, it's probably less.
This is the last (and only) time I plan on pushing it back. If you have problems, move on. Or work around them. But hey, you can easily get in a few matches over a week or so.
EDIT: Friday. May as well start on the weekend. And I have rules made out, expect those to be posted on Thursday.
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As I said, any day is fine by me.
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I just had to revive this topic. Is the tournament still on?
And I can play the offline courses as well online. So if you end up racing me, you might get a chance to race on a course not normally selectable online. I think Sprint can do this as well IIRC.
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Okay, sounds good. I won't be able to play tomorrow as I'll be out all day (as I will every Saturday hence for a couple of months), but I'll try and make some time on Sunday to organise a match. (That's Saturday night for you silly Americans.)
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Read the rules. Discuss anything wrong with them as you see it.
And try to determine how I picked the courses based on 2,4,8, 6,32,64,128, and 256.
Oh and by "Luigi Circuit", I mean the GameCube version. I want to shoot down any mistakes. Before they happen.
Let the games commence!
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So it's 1 on 1?
Sounds good to me. I'll fish up the other friend codes for you too:
Turbos: 201926-809098
RPG: ...bah, it seems he didn't post his anywhere. Arse.
Also the rules look pretty good. I can't find any major loopholes.
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You should have picked SNES mario for use in the tourney :O
um... I guess I'll practice yoshi falls?
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The first match has been played :O!
The Results:
RPG 3 - 1 yse
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Well, RPG and I have started the tourney off.
Yoshi Falls: yse 10 - RPG 5
Luigi's Mansion: RPG 10 - yse 5
Luigi Circuit: RPG 10 - yse 5
Baby Park: ...RPG 10 - yse 5
Total: RPG 35 - yse 25
RPG wins
I was nothing short of pathetic. Oh well.
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Yoshi Falls-Genus
Luigi's Mansion-Genus (by heart attack closeness)
Luigi Circuit-Groudon
Baby Park-Genus
Final: 3-1 Genus
Good games groudon. You got some bad luck with items and I got some good luck, but such is life~
Oh, and the same here with the items. Yeah. Philosophical.
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Yeah, the items didn't like me. And that end of Luigi's Mansion was too close. Had I gotten that one miniturbo in, I would have won.
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Ok, I've changed the scoring system a bit. Points are rewarded now based on individual wins/losses for each course. To quote verbatim...myself...here is the revised rule 7 (note the ommision of the now arbitrary 6):
7) Sets will be played "Round Robin" style. This means that everyone will try to play everyone else once. When posting the results in this topic, include who you faced, how many sets were played (only matters in the event of a double or triple draw), and the results of each set (either 2-2 all, 3-1 someone, or 4-0 someone). After everyone plays everyone else, or a week expires, a scoring system will be used to determine place based on each course (3 points for a win 0 points for a loss). For now, the bottom player will be dropped from each round or, in the event of a tie, a sudden death match consisting of 2 Figure 8's and 2 RR's will be played, the loser being eliminated.
I will now calculate current score.
Genus-9
RPG-9
Groudon-3
yse-3
Everyone else-0
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Starting [strike]tommorow, play to your heart's content.[/strike] now! now! strike while the iron is hot!
Try [*s][/*s] instead of "strike" (remove *s).
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*sigh* everyone but me gets perfectly timed items :(
I only won Luigi's mansion for this match. Genus won all else.
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I just played PsyBorg.
Yoshi Falls-genus
Luigi's Mansion-PsyBorg
Luigi Circuit-Genus
Baby Park-Genus
3-1 Genus
Good games and bad luck Psy.
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Ok, I just played RPG. In a RIVETING series.
Yoshi Falls-Genus
Luigi's Mansion-RPG
Luigi Circuit-Genus
Baby Park-Genus
3-1 Genus...again.
Good games...again.
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Indeed; score retotaling?
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Ok, I can do a retallying with some crazy version 2 improvements!
The Score (v2.0 beta)
Genus:27 (12 courses left, max score 63)
RPG:12 (16 courses left, max score 60)
Groudon:3 (20 courses left, max score 63)
Psy:3 (20 courses left, max score 63)
Mike:3 (20 courses left, max score 63)
Turbos:0 (24 courses left, max score 72)
Thorn:0 (24 courses left, max score 72)
Enjoy the nail biting that will undoubtedly ensue.
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^Based on a set number of courses? Now THAT is a damned smart idea that I never would've thought of. I'll be on WiFi tomorrow, I swear.
Also I find it very appealing that nobody who has played has a perfect score. Should make for great competition.
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FOUR WINS IN A ROW AGAINST RPG.
Seriously though, he needs a real internet connection. I felt like I was time attacking with a few shells being used against me in between.
So, basically, that's Yoshi Falls, Luigi Mansion, Luigi Circuit, and Baby Park all being won by me once.
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Yeah, I might as well declare myself out of this tourny about now <_<
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Not like you should care, because really, this is just a plan to boost Genus' ego.
er um
i said nothing, its just me farting
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You all seem to be having so much fun! I feel so left out. :P
My sis is constantly pestering my father to get a DS for her but if she gets it, I'd also be able to use it and the first game I'll get is MKDS, for sure. I can't wait (more anticipated for the Wii but anyway) but until that time, keep me in mind. I may join you all at one point down the road, hopefully.
Otherwise, congrats to all winners. It seem slike you guys have close games, huh? Those items must be a nusiance sometimes too, I bet. :P
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Knuckles/Sonic/8: items can be anything from mildly irritating to doomsday style. Most are either avoidable or easy to deal with. Though there's the occasional unavoidable item like a blue shell on a narrow straightaway or a red shell on a straightaway where you have no items. But eh, skill tends to help there.
And no, RPG, you're not out of it yet. Observe the woders of...the score!
THE SCORE (Version 2, Not Beta I promise)
Genus:27 (12 courses left, max score 63)
Psy:15 (16 courses left, max score 63)
RPG:12 (8 courses left, max score 36)
Groudon:3 (20 courses left, max score 63)
Mike:3 (20 courses left, max score 63)
Turbos:0 (24 courses left, max score 72)
Thorn:0 (24 courses left, max score 72)
If I were you, I'd root against Mike. Seriously.
Oh and just because you're out, doesn't mean your out~
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...Im still basically out >_>
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35-25 win against genus. My loss was in Baby Park. All four matches were really item-reliant.
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Thorn vs. Genus
Yoshi Falls-Thorn
Luigi's Mansion-Thorn
Luigi Circuit-Thorn
Baby Park-Genus
Good games Thorn.
And now, I warm up...some more.
Edit: But first...THE SCORE.
THE SCORE (SPECIAL 'ONLY CAPS' RELEASE!)
GENUS:30 (8 COURSES LEFT, MAX SCORE 54)
PSY:15 (16 COURSES, MAX SCORE 63)
THORN:9 (20 COURSES LEFT, MAX SCORE 69)
RPG:12 (8 COURSES LEFT, MAX SCORE 36)
GROUDON:3 (20 COURSES LEFT, MAX SCORE 63)
MIKE:3 (20 COURSES LEFT, MAX SCORE 63)
TURBOS:0 (24 courses left, max score 72)
Thorn:0 (24 courses left, max score 72)
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I'm waiting a while. Tonight around 7:00 EDT, I'm getting races in.
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35-25 win again vs. RPG, lost in GCN Luigi Circuit.
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Just finished racing PsyBorg.
1) Yoshi Falls (I won)
2) Luigi's Mansion (I won)
3) Luigi Circuit (I won)
4) Baby Park (PsyBorg won)
Final results: 3-1
Had I not snaked into 2 bananas on the last lap of Baby Park, I would have won.
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You know what this means (in Spanish)?
La Cuenta (Muy Caliente!)
genus:30 (8 Cursos se Fueron, Cuenta Máxima 54)
Psy:30 (8 Cursos se Fueron, Cuenta Máxima 54)
Thorn:18 (16 Cursos se Fueron, Cuenta Máxima 66)
RPG:15 (4 Cursos se Fueron, Cuenta Máxima 27)
Groudon:12 (20 Cursos se Fueron, Cuenta Máxima 60)
Mike:3 (20 Cursos se Fueron, Cuenta Máxima 63)
Turbos:0 (24 Cursos se Fueron, Cuenta Máxima 72)
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Fought with mike. He used the item-based luigi kart. Despite his well timed items, I still got 4-0 because I used Egg 1.
Also, genus, might I mention that you didn't count my Baby Park win in the fight against Groudon, and the current amount of points for me (pre-mike match) is 3 lower than it should have been.
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^Adding on, my match against RPG (3-1) wasn't factored into my points either. If only this was automated. I scored DIY for a while, it's a PITA by hand.
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yse vs genus:
Yoshi Falls: genus 10, yse 5 (this was bs, I couldn't get any items on lap 1)
Luigi's Mansion: yse 10, genus 5 (due to him throwing a red shell the wrong way or something)
Luigi Circuit: yse 10, genus 5 (and the same again!)
Baby Park: yse 10, genus 5
TOTAL: yse 35, genus 25
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I am humiliated. I call double bs on Red Shell shenanigans.
If you just press X, without any forward/backward input, why do red shells automatically fire backwards?
Seriously!
Oh and SDM and I are working out how this tourney will work. We've got the groudwork set, and it's up to you to live through the rollercoster. For example, did you know there are no teams this time around?
Anyways, enough complaining and pandering, it's time for THE SCORE.
The Score (Mental Math Version 4 or 5 or Something)
genus:33 (4 Courses Left, Max Score 45)
Psy:30 (8 Courses Left, Max Score 54)
Thorn:18 (16 Courses Left, Max Score 66)
RPG:15 (4 Courses Left, Max Score 27)
Groudon:12 (16 Courses Left, Max Score 60)
Mike:12 (16 Courses Left, Max Score 60)
Turbos:0 (24 Courses Left, Max Score 72)
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ps i still have 3 more points than your table says <_<
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Come on genus. You can do better than this.
Time for a real table...making...person... to sort this out.
Current results:
RPG 3 - 1 yse
genus 3 - 1 Groudon
genus 3 - 1 PsyBorg
genus 3 - 1 RPG
PsyBorg 4 - 0 RPG
Thorn 3 - 1 genus
Thorn 3 - 1 RPG
Groudon 3 - 1 PsyBorg
PsyBorg 4 - 0 yse
yse 3 - 1 genus
THE REAL SCORE (VERSION YSE [in other words, the correct version])
Player | Played | Tracks Won | Tracks Lost | Matches Won | Matches Lost | Score
genus | 5 | 11 | 9 | 3 | 2 | 33
PsyBorg | 4 | 10 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 30
Thorn | 2 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 18
RPG | 4 | 5 | 11 | 1 | 3 | 15
Groudon | 2 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 12
yse | 3 | 4 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 12
Turbos | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0
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Ok, I corrected the one typo on the score sheet. The only one. Which is no longer there. You can ignore it.
And RPG, I am sad to say that it does not look like you will be in the next round. Or the round after that. Or the round after that. Or the round after that. Or the round after that.
But hey, such is life.
Oh and Mike, tables are ugly with 3 columns. I'm looking at your table and seeing a lot of arbitrary information. Therefore the score is win for simplicity I say.
On another note, SDM and I have completely worked out the structure of the tournament and thrown in some nasty surprises for everyone. Or rather, everyone involved when the surprises begin to take place. And let's just say that you had better be popular with everyone else, lest you be, say, shot or exploded, or any other kind of nasty punishments. Of course, this is the least of your worries.
To quote a time honored saying: "Strive to work hard where you have failed in the past".
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And RPG, I am sad to say that it does not look like you will be in the next round.
Like I said >_>
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Psyborg and I went at it.
Yoshi Falls - me
Luigi's Mansion - Psy
GCN Luigi Circuit - me
baby Park - Psy (I just wanted one attack item...)
2 wins for each of us. That puts Psyborg ahead of genus by a win going into the final round. And if Turbos doesn't show, then genus is locked out of first at the end of R1.
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Me vs. Thorn
Yoshi Falls- Thorn
Luigi's Mansion- Me
Luigi Circuit- Thorn
Baby Park- Me
Good game, thorn.
w-wait
this can't be
IM AHEAD OF GENUS BY THREE POINTS
holy crap.
Also, is Turbos going to play anytime soon? He's done... nothing.
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I just talked to Turbos, and the top of his DS cracked. This is the exact dialogue, or rather the part of it that matters:
genus (pester)
genus are you still in the MKDS tournament?
genus you haven't played anyone
genus even though you have until next Friday
genus so eh.
Turbos My top screen broke
genus oh :(
genus will you be able to fix that any time soon?
Turbos Probably not.
Turbos Though, if you really need me, I could try driving with the bottom screen.
Turbos Though, snaking's out. >_>
genus yeah >_>
genus I think I'll have to drop you
There you have it. Turbos will not be in the next round. Which is technically this round. Which means that soon, we'll be down to 5 players. I present to you all, the revised score:
The Score (The Fixed Fixed Version)
Psy:36
genus:33
Thorn:24 (12 Courses Left, Max Score 60)
RPG:15 (4 courses left, Max Score 27)
Groudon:12 (12 Courses Left, Max Score 48)
Mike:12 (12 Courses Left, Max Score 48)
Things are getting hot, hot, hot :o
RPG are you nervous?
I SEE THE FUTURE
fu RPG it's one typo >_>
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HEY FU!
I still have 4 races left, I've yet to face Groudon
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2 - 2 against Groudon :O
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You won by blue shell each time.
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Oh man the craziness continues. WIll RPG be eliminated? Or will everyone else choke? Let's find out~
The Score (Tension Free of Charge)
Psy:36
genus:33
Thorn:24 (12 Courses Left, Max Score 60)
RPG:21
Groudon:18 (8 Courses Left, Max Score 42)
Mike:12 (12 Courses Left, Max Score 48)
Even if someone is confirmed to be eliminated, you still need to play the rest of your matches.
Edit: Wait what? Stop complaining groudon. He still won. It doesn't matter how.
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Hey, I just wanted to say how he won. I'm not complaining.
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You won by blue shell each time.
A win is a win.
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3-1 Against Groudon, lost in Luigi's Mansion.
And before anyone says anything abotu lucky items...
*points up a post*
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OH MY GOSH.
The Score (Down to the Wire for Round One)
Psy:36
genus:33
Thorn:33 (4 Courses Left, Max Score 45)
RPG:21
Groudon:21 (4 Courses Left, Max Score 33)
Mike:12 (8 Courses Left, Max Score 36)
What's gonna happen huh? What's gonna happen?
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The items hate me. That's why I'm so low...
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"A win is a win".
Now you just think about what you're saying mister.
Seriously, MKDS is all about items and luck, or rather making items and luck a non-issue. How many times have you gotten a mushroom at the right time? Yeah. Sky Garden. I went there. That people item rape you says to me that you can't avoid items. You're complaining about how Thorn blue shelled you. Learn to blue shell dodge. You're complaining about Red Shells. Learn more evasive tactics than just dropping a bannana/firing a shell. The only item in MKDS that can't be dodged is the Lightning. But I don't see any victories coming from that one.
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...seriously, dude, give it a rest with the items. Howzabout, instead of egg1-ing it the whole time, you try a standard kart, Yoshi's or Dry Bones', that can snake AND has a 66% item stat? Items usually hate me, I couldn't believe I pulled three blue shells out of my ass. When not snaking for glory, I use Standard DB, for aforementioned reasons.
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The only item in MKDS that can't be dodged is the Lightning. But I don't see any victories coming from that one.
I owned you and pb once with a vicious Lightning+Blue Shell combo at the very end of Delfino Square >_>
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I owned you and pb once with a vicious Lightning+Blue Shell combo at the very end of Delfino Park >_>
Is that Delfino Square, or Baby Park?
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vs. mike, 2-2
I still think I crossed the finish line on LC...
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Right. Now everyone knows who they need to root for. Come on mikey!
The Score (You know where you stand)
Psy:36
genus:33
Thorn:33 (4 Courses Left, Max Score 45)
Groudon:27
RPG:21
Mike:18 (4 Courses Left, Max Score 30)
Everyone set up your own cheering section.
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FINAL MATCH:
Thorn 2 - 2 yse
YSE PROGRESSES TO THE NEXT ROUND.
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Fuck you all, especially PB >_>
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(http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)
Your round one leader needs a crown. *shot by everyone, by RPG twice*
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no u
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The results are in...
The viewers are frustrated...
The Score (No more suspense bs)
Thorn:39
Psy:36
genus:33
Groudon:27
Mike:24
RIP...
RPG, with a weak 21. Perhaps one day you will rise anew. As a horrific zombie. And like...eat brains and get vengeance or something.
The rest of you live on in more than memories. Of course, you are:
Thorn-The prick in my side. Bastard just edged me out of second.
PsyBorg-The android with a cause and a lot of complaining.
Genus-The tourney runner with a heart of gold and a flair for miscalculation.
Groudon-An angsty pokemon who tires of items. And of course,
yse-The underdog typo who may captivate a nation yet.
You will be playing round robin style this round, which starts tommorow. Scores do not carry over. Your courses are:
Cheep Cheep Beach
Desert Hills
DK Pass
Peach Circuit
I wish you luck when not facing me.
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So far, it seems I have a match w/ Groudon scheduled Monday @ 1 pm east US, and with yse at 7:30 east US. Jump start on R2 ftw, awful courses ftl!
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And I edged you out of second while we're at it.
The stages we picked SUCK. They're the horrible ones :(
I may not actually be able to continue, believe it or not, due to my suckage at all of these stages. Of course, there is mike... >.>
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PsyBorg, you're not out of it just because you're not good in a few courses. Almost everyone here has problems with these courses. Though personally I only have issue with DK Pass but hey.
Anything can happen.
Which is why I open the forum to discussion.
Was anyone surprised by what happened in Round 1? Anyone have anything they want to predict in terms of future player standing?
Oh, and want to take a crack at what I've got planned for you guys?
Personally, I'm proud of what I've set up. It will shock you all into submission. I want to know what you guys think I'm implimenting.
Time to say what surprised me.
Groudon not doing that well. Myself not doing that well. PsyBorg doing well.
What I think will happen.
Mike gets eliminated, I do well, Thorn does so-so, PsyBorg surprises me again, Groudon also does well.
What I think will be done in the tourney.
Wouldn't you like to know?
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I plan to try to do better this round. The items were the main causes of how bad I did (whether it was the other person getting too many good items in 2nd or me getting crappy items in 2nd). That and the stupid mistakes (crashing into one of the inside walls on Baby Park or a fucked-up miniturbo in a dead-heat race [like against genus on Luigi's Mansion in the last turn]). Expect me to do much better this next round. I'm actually surprised myself at how bad I did in round 1.
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OKAY ROUND TWO HAS STARTED.
And with no cheap opposition, my "skill" level will probably show through here. X)
genus 4 - 0 yse
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Round 2 has begun!
yse vs. genus
Cheep Cheep Beach-genus
Desert Hills-genus
DK Pass-genus
Peach Circuit-genus
Good games mike, sorry to start you off in poor standing.
THE SCORE (one arbitrary update version).
genus:12 (12 courses left, max score 48)
mike:0 (12 courses left, max score 36)
Psy:0 (16 courses left, max score 48)
Groudon:0 (16 courses left, max score 48)
Thorn:0 (16 courses left, max score 48)
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^Oh crap, has the scoring system changed? That's funky...
Also, yse, big mistake on my part. I can't make it tonight.
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Raced Thorn.
3-1 in favor of me.
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Bah, you blew it Thorn. As I mentioned in chat, you and groudon were supposed to split. Though if I recall, we're now tied in total points. Anyways, the time is ripe for...
THE SCORE (Preemptive Double Post Style! Preemptive Double Post Style!)
genus:12 (12 courses left, max score 48)
Groudon:9 (12 courses left, max score 45)
Thorn:3 (12 courses left, max score 39)
mike:0 (12 courses left, max score 36)
Psy:0 (16 courses left, max score 48)
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genus vs. Groudon
Cheep Cheep Beach-genus
Desert Hills-Groudon
DK Pass-Genus
Peach Circuit-Groudon
The Score (Triple Post edition! Triple Post Edition! Triple Post Edition!)
genus:18 (8 courses left, max score 42)
Groudon:15 (8 courses left, max score 39)
Thorn:3 (12 courses left, max score 39)
mike:0 (12 courses left, max score 36)
Psy:0 (16 courses left, max score 48)
About to face thorn. Let's see...what happens.
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Thorn vs. genus
Cheep Cheep Beach:genus
Desert Hills:genus
DK Pass:Thorn
Peach Circuit:genus
3-1 genus.
And now...
without further ado...
with more typos than I'll pick up...
The Score ("Thorn thinks I shouldn't do this any more and I'm inclined to agree" style)
genus:27 (4 courses left, max score 39)
Groudon:15 (8 courses left, max score 39)
Thorn:6 (8 courses left, max score 30)
mike:0 (12 courses left, max score 36)
Psy:0 (16 courses left, max score 48)
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For now, the bottom player will be dropped from each round...
How long is now? I don't wanna die! *sniff*
*thinks to self*
Hmmm... 16+12+8+4+0=40 matches, times 3=120 points between the five of us...
24'll be the average point value... I have 6, so if win six of the next eight... I'll be average, and genus is already above 24... meaning somebody has to get less than 24 to even that out...
It's settled! I aim to win six of my last eight. I screwed up nicely so far, but I can catch up, I know it.
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For now, the bottom player will be dropped from each round...
How long is now? I don't wanna die! *sniff*
*thinks to self*
Hmmm... 16+12+8+4+0=40 matches, times 3=120 points between the five of us...
24'll be the average point value... I have 6, so if win six of the next eight... I'll be average, and genus is already above 24... meaning somebody has to get less than 24 to even that out...
It's settled! I aim to win six of my last eight. I screwed up nicely so far, but I can catch up, I know it.
GL.
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Bah humbug.
genus vs. PsyBorg
Cheep Cheep Beach-genus
Desert Hills-PsyBorg
DK Pass-genus
Peach Circuit-PsyBorg
2-2
The Score (33 Points again...damnit)
genus:33
Groudon:15 (8 courses left, max score 39)
Psy:6 (12 courses left, max score 42)
Thorn:6 (8 courses left, max score 30)
mike:0 (12 courses left, max score 36)
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me vs. PsyBorg
I won, 3-1. He won on Peach Circuit (by a small margain).
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(by a small margain).
Not to say you didn't win by a "small margin" several times either. See Cheep Cheep Beach when my red shell went retarded and he also won in the desert stage by a "small margin" too.
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When I said "by a small margain," I meant "with the winner just inches ahead."
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When I said "by a small margain," I meant "with the winner just inches ahead."
Then I only meant it for the desert stage. There is still no excuse for my red shell being an idiot, though. :(
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Apparently, there are some rumors going around...can anyone fill me in on what's going on?
Anyways...
The Score (Spoiler Free Edition!)
genus:33
Groudon:24 (4 courses left, max score 33)
Psy:9 (8 courses left, max score 33)
Thorn:6 (8 courses left, max score 30)
mike:0 (12 courses left, max score 36)
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I pulled off a 4-0 sweep against mike.
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Nice!
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My, my! We have some shocking developments! Mike is on the verge of joining RPG. Whatever shall happen?
The Score (What's a rhetorical question?)
genus:33
Groudon:33
Psy:9 (8 courses left, max score 33)
Thorn:6 (8 courses left, max score 30)
mike:0 (8 courses left, max score 24)
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Wow, I share the R2 crown with genus!
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I pulled off a 4-0 sweep against mike.
I call BS on you in CCB. Sometime on the second lap you stopped to let me get into first.
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vs. mike:
3-1
Cheep Cheep Beach: Mike (bs)
Desert Whatever: Me
Retard Pass: Me
Peach Circuit: Me
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Note: I will say nothing more regarding the "leaked" information when asked, and will not change what was planned for the tourney. Do not mention it, and carry on as though nothing were said.
The Score (...steely silence...)
genus:33
Groudon:33
Psy:18 (4 courses left, max score 30)
Thorn:6 (8 courses left, max score 30)
mike:3 (4 courses left, max score 15)
What's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? Well, we'll have to wait for Thorn to show up.
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I pulled off a 4-0 sweep against mike.
I call BS on you in CCB. Sometime on the second lap you stopped to let me get into first.
I don't recall.
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^I seem to recall much talk in chat about this. Nothing more out of me, though *zips lips*
Me vs. Psyborg
Cheep Cheep Beach: Me
Desert Hills: Psyborg
DK Pass: Me
GBA Peach Circuit: Me
3-1 for Me.
Also, yse, since I never seem to get on chat at the same time as you (I have stuff to do at night, sorry), lemme make it known that if by some weird chance I encounter you on WiFi, it's ranked. You'll hafta sweep me in all four levels AND the tiebreaker to avoid last place and possible elimination (genus hasn't said anything yet!).
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Hey hey hey, you are not insightful enough to realise what a given player needs to do to advance to the next round. And I didn't say that; I thought you guys split 2-2.
The Score (No inferences needed)
genus:33
Groudon:33
Psy:21
Thorn:15 (4 courses left, max score 27)
mike:3 (4 courses left, max score 15)
Play out your match Thorn and mike, regardless of what you think will happen; you may be thrown a sudden and unexpected twist! *grumblegrumble*
In case you guys are wondering, and in part due to the recent rumors, here are everyone's total scores as of now.
Total Scores
genus-66
Groudon-60
PsyBorg-57
Thorn-54 (max 66 by end of round)
Mike-27 (max 39 by end of round)
RPG-21
Like I said, play your best no matter what the situation seems like.
Oh, and I suppose it's about time I picked the round 3 courses...I'll be asking for numbers in the room.
Edit: courses picked and numbers fixed.
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Come on, mike. Race so we can get on with round 3.
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Okay, I can't spend my life in chat waiting for a match, so here's my Thursday schedule, in east US time:
Not available 12 am - 3 pm
AVAILABLE
Break sometime between 5 and 6 pm for dinner
AVAILABLE
Parents want PC off around 8:30-9 pm
Post when you want this bout (so I can tell my bro when to give me the PC), and I'll try to meet you tomorrow. Worst case scenario, from Friday to Sunday, no school (staff meeting Friday ftw), so meet me at a time during which I'd be awake and I can do it.
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Hm.
8:30 your time works out to about 10:30 here. I could be on before then. 7-8 your time sounds good.
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The results!
Cheep Cheep Beach: Thorn
Desert Hills: yse (had the same glitch again, in the same level... my game effed up? Ah well.)
DK Pass: Thorn
GBA Peach Circuit: Thorn
Genus can explain from here.
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Right. I would like to congratulate everyone who has made it this far. Everyone being:
genus- species.
Groudon-pogeyman.
Thorn-pricker.
PsyBorg-Last place.
The end of round scores are as follows:
Score
genus:33
Groudon:33
Thorn:24
Psy:21
mike:6
The total scores are as follows:
Other Score
genus-66
Groudon-60
Thorn-63
PsyBorg-57
Mike-30
RPG-21
As you've figured out...
RIP Mike, who never got a chance to captivate a nation. Maybe his glory days will come as he joins RPG in the squadrons of zombies, attacking the precarious social order as it presently exists.
Now here comes a shocking twist! Kind of...
The New Way Things Will Work
...For this round at least. Seeding with 4 players is just no good. It's over too quickly, and it relies too much on chance, moreso than other forms. So for this round, we're kicking it off. With slang. And tourney style. Points were used to determine matchups. The player with the most points plays the player with the least, and the middle two players square off against each other. This sets up the following matches:
genus vs. PsyBorg
Groudon vs. Thorn
The same rules not pertaining to seeding apply; however, there is one change. There will be two standard sets played, not just one. They do not have to be consecutive. Whoever has the most wins (and put them in point form) of the two will move on. In the event of a tiebreaker, the second must be picked for the tiebreaker match. Report the results of each set and in which courses everyone lost/won in. These are:
Set 1
Mario Circuit
Sky Garden
Frappe Snowland
Snes Mario Circuit 1
Set 2
Figure 8
Wario Stadium
Rainbow Road
Choco Island 2
I wish you all luck. Oh and of course, do not start until tommorow.
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Items were lucky for me last time. Let's hope that stays this round.
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Aw, this is gay. Genus doesn't hafta play his closest competition, Psyborg is at a big disadvantage... just... gay. Arg, I hope items mistreat Groudon.
*gets out voodoo Groudon and pokes it*
*prepares effigy to burn after match*
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Umm... you poked a spot with no feeling at the time.
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Combined, I won 6-2.
First set results:
Mario Circuit (me)
Sky Garden (me)
Frappe Snowland (Thorn)
Snes Mario Circuit 1 (Thorn)
Second set results:
Figure 8 (me)
Wario Stadium (me)
Rainbow Road (me)
Choco Island 2 (me)
No one really got any good items when one of us was behind.
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What a twist! Round 4 is:
groudon vs. ???????
Psy will be back on soon. Let's see what happens. What's gonna happen huh? What's gonna happen? In what could possibly be forshadowing, Psy and I practiced against each other, and he beat me by one course.
Anyways, point totals.
Groudon-78
Thorn-69
genus-66
PsyBorg-57
Mike-30
RPG-21
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PsyBorg vs. genus
First set results:
Mario Circuit-genus
Sky Garden-PsyBorg
Frappe Snowland-genus
Snes Mario Circuit 1-PsyBorg
Second set results:
Figure 8-genus
Wario Stadium-PsyBorg
Rainbow Road-genus
Choco Island 2-genus
5-3 genus, good games PsyBorg.
Total Points
genus-81
Groudon-78
Thorn-69
PsyBorg-66
Mike-30
RPG-21
And as usual, RIP...
PsyBorg and Thorn. Good players both,they are now being dug up to serve my purpose. The chaos begins: its name is round 4.
Yes, round 4. A showdown of two worthy players. But how should such a showdown be fought? In a raw-snaking contest banning items? In some other form I have not thought up? Probably. I am going to get bs'd like crazy when I reveal how this will work.
A showdown of two worthy players should be fought...with 4 players.
The two players who made it through this round, myself and groudon, will be racing competitively. We will be striving to outdo the other, and work hard to earn the right to say "I am better than so and so".
The two players who didn't, PsyBorg and Thorn, will be racing to throw us off. Yes, you're understanding me; they will be pitching items at us. They are permitted to camp, brake, drive in reverse, and so on in the name of MKDS. If it can be done, they are allowed to do it. The only restriction in place is that any one individual item may be used on a player only once. For example, if you get a star, you may not drive over them and go in reverse. You may, however, get a star, run them over, grab another, and let the shenanigans commence. When doing their thing with items, PsyBorg and Thorn will not be ranked. Of course.
Yes, I know everyone reading this is thinking something along the lines of "...", "wtf", or "lolwhat". Why turn something competitive into an item fest? Because the tournament is about fun. Nobody entered this thinking "I will win this and agonize over the time it takes for me to do so". They thought it would be a great way to...have fun. Right.
The four courses to be played, hand picked by SDM and I to allow the maximum ammount of havoc possible, are:
Delfino Square
Yoshi Circuit
MooMoo's Farm
Choco Mountain
As always, you may not begin the round until tommorow. Good luck everyone, and calm down groudon.
Edit-the tiebreaker courses are:
Rainbow Road
SNES Mario Circuit
Peach Circuit
Baby Park
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This is gonna be an interesting round. And I'm ready for anything PsyBorg and Thorn throw at me (or use against me).
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^After I got no good items today in our bout, I wouldn't be worried either. :)
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That was today, though, and today is Friday the 13th, after all.
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Sorry, but I can't attend the tournament match today due to unforseen circumstances. I apologize deeply, as I really wanted to attend the match. Please wait for me, okay? :(:(:(
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excuse me but i have to type this fast befroe i leave
um is 5:15 est okay
if so please stya on til then
thx
edti: nevermind i can't :( just wait until tomorrow if possible, if we must do it today tehn do it without me
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If Psy can't be on today, then we'll wait until tommorrow.
In fact, it isn't a big deal, because I might not be able to play the match either, as I could have someone over tonight.
This also works out well for me, because I need to talk to SDM about something.
In the meantime, speculate. Who is going to win? Groudon or me? Will it be by a landslide? What, pray tell, are Thorn and Psy planning for us?
Oh and how will groudon't signature/user title change based on the results of this match?
...zombies.
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um... woof?
Okay, same time tomorrow, right?
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Everyone but Thorn is on right now, but now is no good for me for a few reasons. We're moving, and I need to help move some things into the new house.
Maybe sometime around...1 pm EST or so? Pretty much any time after 12 is good for me.
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Delfino Square - me
Yoshi Circuit - me
Moo Moo Farm - me (sign of favoritism from PsyBorg)
Choco Mountain - genus
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Congratulations to groudon, the winner of the first half of the tournament! Anti-congratulations to Psy, who only targeted me.
Like I said, ignoring the first part, the first half.
However, there is in fact a second half, which the winner of this half will not be a part of until the very end. I am implimenting another bracket.
Some players felt that they got a bum rap because of a few bad courses, and I'm inclined to agree with them. A missed miniturbo, a botched red shell (or two), and that player is out, eliminated, forgotten. But not this way. All the forgotten players get a chance of redemption. These are of course Thorn, PsyBorg, RPG, yse and the almost "champion" genus. Myself.
Well, now those players will be able to prove that they are better than they made out. To meet my gimmicks an eye for an eye, and reign supreme. Even if one of those players is me; in fact, I wrote this post ahead of time and filled in the names afterwards because I knew writing it spur of the moment would take too much time and everyone would have moved on the minute they heard the results. Anyways, for now, the second bracket players will face each other. Team style.
How do you do teams with five players? Easy; add another. I initially contacted Turbos to find out if he would be able to replace his DS and so I could add him back in to this tourney; SDM and I had talked of the second bracket before, and we hoped the tournament would stretch out long enough for Turbos to get another DS. It didn't.
So instead of Turbos, someone will be dealt a guest player, to be a part of the tournament from here on out, TSC's and SCD's very own SDM. The bottom player in terms of points will get him. Now that I do the points out and pair each player with their closest match (as Thorn suggested I do for the original tourney-style matchups), I see that we wind up with the teams of:
1) genus, Thorn
2) PsyBorg, Mike
3) RPG, SDM
These will be played round robin style, as we did before. The team belonging to the player that wins a given course wins that course. Post the results in the topic as you normally would.
The tracks are to be free pick. For a given set, every player is allowed one course that they may choose, and all others must choose that course. The order of choosing is based on points, with the highest point player of the two teams picking the first track, the second highest picking the second, and so on. The members of the team with the least ammount of points will be eliminated. In the event of a tie, the usual tiebreaker courses will be played. In the event of a three way tie, the team with the most combined points is advanced to the next round, and the other two teams play in the manner perscribed above. Note that, unlike last time, if you lose a match you are eliminated. There are more surprises to come, but resurrection is not one of them.
And because this post isn't long enough...
I told knuckles_sonic8 to leak information. I wanted to generate hype, burnout, and subsequent rejuvination, so I directly told him to spread the false word of a broken second life for everyone. The results, according to the pm's he forwarded me, are best described as mutinous. Yes, I read your "private" messages and conversations, and am amused that everyone fell for my plan. The allegations ranged from me fixing the tournament so I would win to SDM wanting to end the tourney so that TSC's focus would be back on time attacking Sonic. Here is the exact conversation I had with ks8 (I didn't start logging it until the middle):
<genus> spread some forum crap on the forum (paraphrased)
<ks8> any ideas?
<genus> hm
<genus> say that you made a mistake
<genus> and thought I was manipulating everyone
<genus> something along those lines
<genus> but sound suspicious
<genus> just enough so people think "hey wait a minute"
<ks8> so don't be obvious and say up front that we planned it, then?
<genus> hm?
<genus> yeah.
<ks8> kk
<ks8> this is gonna be so jkz
<ks8> so by the looks of it
<ks8> when do you think it'll finish
<genus> yeah
<ks8> and get to the champ?
<genus> dunno
<genus> I'd say by the end of the week
<genus> there's also something
<genus> I haven't told you about
<ks8> oh okay
<genus> and in all fairness don't want to :P
<ks8> I can hold my laughter in that long
<ks8> :P
<ks8> too soon for you or too late?
<genus> eh?
<ks8> I mean early
<ks8> you know what I mean
<genus> nah, it's a good length
<ks8> lol
<ks8> meh
<genus> considering how few people will be in it
<ks8> I guess
<genus> also total
<ks8> lol
<ks8> yeah
<genus> I say this goes well into next week
<ks8> probably
<genus> because I have something great planned
<genus> which will make everyone "wtf"
<genus> without a doubt.
<ks8> I'm sitll bummed I'm not part of this but at least it makes me feel better I didn't get a DS yet cause I'm included in this
<ks8> oh yeah?
<genus> yep.
<ks8> whatever it is I'm sure it'll knock their socks off
<genus> obviously.
<ks8> lol
<ks8> or their heads
<ks8> lol
<ks8> gonna copy this too (lol)
<genus> hm
<genus> I reas the pm
<genus> *read
<ks8> oh ok
<genus> that's pre "convo", right?
<ks8> hm?
<genus> ie
<genus> the fake conversation I gave you
<genus> are you including that?
<ks8> I thought you were copying it
<ks8> ... am I confused :"S?
<genus> no as in
<genus> I copied all this
<genus> and made a fake conversation which I gave you
<genus> under the assumption you were adding it into the pm
<ks8> oh!!! I didn't add that
<genus> oh
<ks8> don't worry :P
<genus> is it sent allready?
<ks8> I'm not that basic
<ks8> :P
<genus> as in
<ks8> yep
<genus> ok
<ks8> I understood you correctly, then? right?
<genus> no I mean
<genus> I made a fake conversation
<genus> which I intended you to post in the pm
<genus> if you've allready sent the pm, then it's not a big deal
<genus> but you could always say something along the lines of "the exact conversation went like this"
genus if you're planning on sending another one, which I understand if you aren't, then the exact text is
<genus> <genus> the champion races everyone
<genus> <ks8> hm?
<genus> <genus> the tournament will continue round robin, then there will be a tourney style setup for when 4 players are left, then head to head
<genus> <ks8> ok
<genus> <ks8> then?
<genus> <genus> then...
<genus> <ks8> ?
<genus> <genus> the champion will race everyone in the tourney who was eliminated once, and if the champion loses even one match, the winner is whoever has the most points
<genus> <ks8> I'm not sure that's a good idea
<genus> <genus> doesn't matter, we've worked it out and nothing will change it.
<ks8> would you like me to make a further PM... ebtter yet... let's wait and see, if anyone tries to "embarass me" and reveal I told everyone, I'll quote this part
<ks8> I'll save it in Notepade for later
<genus> eh
<genus> which part are you planning on quoting?
<ks8> the part you just stated
<genus> I'll make sure they don't villify you
<ks8> without the genus at the beginning
<genus> ok
<ks8> thanks
<ks8 lol
<ks8> l8r genus
<ks8> wink wink
<ks8> :P
genus bye
(time passes, nothing is said)
<ks8> hey genius :P
<ks8> nice touch in the forums, bTW
<ks8> some "rumors" lol
<ks8> Groudon's posting... wonder what he;s gonna say ;)
<ks8> lol
<ks8> just his scores
<ks8> thought it owuld be the "rumor"
<ks8> g2g
<ks8> cya
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<ks8> hey!
<ks8> they're on to us!
<ks8> :P
<genus> nah
<ks8> ??? is pissed off (identity removed for privacy reasons)
<genus> only ??? is. (see above)
<ks8> he said so himself
<genus> :o?
<genus> ah.
<genus> yeah so is ??? (see above)
<genus> he pm'd me.
<genus> :D
<ks8> he said "we're all pissed off at you"
<ks8> lol
<ks8> I knew he'd blab
<ks8> :P
<ks8> I wonder if ??? did... (see above)
<ks8> I don't think he would though...
<ks8> lol
<genus> lolz.
<ks8> he stopped bad mouthgin
<ks8> should I ask him to go on? lol
<genus> eh?
<genus> yeah
<genus> ps
<genus> pm me what he says
<genus> over irc of course
<ks8> I'm gonna ask him now...
<ks8> be ready... :P
<ks8> started with: so what's with all this confusion? why's everyone mad at me and who IS everyone anyway? it's such a broad term.
<ks8> here goes...
<ks8> let the chaos ensue :P
<ks8> tension's building...
<ks8> lol
<ks8> I'll send you the message l8r
<genus> how's it going?
<ks8> want' the whol thing?
<ks8> now?
<ks8> here?
<genus> yeah
<genus> I'm posting in the topic
<genus> to get some interest going.
<genus> also ks8
<genus> what's about to happen
<genus> that's called social engineering
<genus> :)
<ks8> :P
<ks8> I'll PM you; can't post that much
<ks8> in one shot I mean
<genus> ok
<ks8> sent..
<ks8> I think
<genus> yep
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<ks8> refreshed accidentally
<ks8> what did you say?
<ks8> :P
<ks8> lol
<genus> comedy gold.
<ks8> rea post
<ks8> lol, yep
<ks8> :P
<genus> he thinks I fixed the tourney
<genus> but I have SDM to vouch for that
<genus> er that I didn't
<genus> he's the one who suggested the real twist.
<genus> I think.
<ks8> ??? (see above)
<genus> no, SDM
<genus> he and I organised the tourney
<genus> er
<genus> yeah ??? thinks I have everything fixed (see above)
<genus> translation: hook, line, and sinker
<ks8> lol
<ks8> pretty much
<ks8> :P
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(angry forum posts/pm's here)
<ks8> wanna start something?
<ks8> as public display?
<ks8> for the... thing :P
<ks8> ?
<ks8> lol
<DiscoPonies> hm
<ks8> lol
<DiscoPonies> I'd say no.
<DiscoPonies> before it turns mutinous
<ks8> k
<ks8 I almost did
<ks8> good thing I asked
<ks8> lol
<ks8> besides I g2g soon anyway
<ks8> so I'd look bad
<ks8> lol
<ks8> and yeah you're right
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(forum pm here)
<DiscoPonies> do tell what Psy pm's you
<DiscoPonies> though I won't be here.
<ks8> he didn't pm me anything
<ks8> ...yet..
<ks8> lol pm amirite.
<ks8> lol pm amirite.
<ks8> what is he saying : lol pm amirite?
<ks8> I'm confused?
<ks8> l8r pony
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<genus> they bought it
<genus> :)
<genus> after the "final" is over, I'll post our conversation
<genus> I'll want you and maybe SDM to confirm that you lied under orders
<genus> so it doesn't look like I did some quick solution
genus to cover my tracks
<ks8> oh
<ks8> sorry was away
<ks8> can you give more specifics?
<genus> nah
<ks8> can you let me know when things are over?
<genus> I want even you to be surprised
<genus> yeah
<ks8> I dunno what to say...
<ks8> okay
<genus> only SDM and Turbos know what will really happen "post-final"
<ks8> .. regarding the whole "forced thing"
<genus> eh?
<genus> er not post-tourney
<genus> post fourth round
<ks8> oh..
<ks8> okay, now I'm confused... :S
<genus> you'll see
<ks8> o-kay...
<ks8> today?
<genus> no
<genus> not until Sunday at the earliest
<ks8> I saw your post in http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=1650.120. Should I reply or something regarding it?
<ks8> or is it too early?
<genus> too early
<ks8> thought so
<ks8> when I do, though, how should I approach it?
<ks8> you sitll have the whole convo so can you send it to me and I'll post it with what ever I say... if you don't mind, can I reveal it since my rep's at stake... :P
<ks8> I still dunno how to approach the post though...
<ks8> I'll tihnk of something I guess
<ks8> any ideas?
<genus> hm
<genus> say that you made a mistake
<genus> and thought I was manipulating everyone
<genus> something along those lines
<genus> but sound suspicious
<genus> just enough so people think "hey wait a minute"
<ks8> so don't be obvious and say up front that we planned it, then?
<ks8> for now, anyway...
<ks8> BTW, copy this too
<ks8> send me all our convos when you can, k?
<ks8> this'll help me forumlate later posts
<ks8> regarding the whole thing
<ks8> just let me know when it's the "right time to strike" (Vector, Heroes) :P
<genus> ok
<genus> but I want anyone reading this
<genus> in the future
<genus> ...which is a scary thought
<ks8> lol
<ks8> okay
<ks8> brb
<genus> that I realise now how mutinous everyone has become
<genus> and would do it better in the future
<ks8> tell me about it....
<ks8> yep
<ks8> k
<ks8> brb
<genus> like having ks8 "accidently" mention it in a conversation
<ks8> lol
<genus> oh and I logged most of your conversations because <ks8> copied them down
<genus> and I don't fix matches damnit >_>
<genus> ok so I figure this is the cutoff point
Discuss.
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Actually, genus, me AND thorn conspired against you in private conversation. He even asked before the match if we should "stick to the plan". Of course, he wanted to keep more "hidden" about it during the match than I did, and that we would only tell Groudon and you directly after the match.
Also I am glad I am definitely not going to win this tournament :(
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^The idea was that if Groudon won, and then we told him we handicapped it, he wouldn't get arrogant about winning, thus fulfilling the goal that was in his sig last week.
Also, since a couple competitiors aren't reading the convo in chat right now, namely yse and RPG, and since there's already one chat quote posted, I re-post it, as it really unveils this tourney for what it is/was (comments fake-chat style in red, important lines in bold):
<genus> ok
<genus> posted The "finals" just ended
<genus> everyone check the topic
<genus> and smack yourselves in the forehead.
<SDM> 1:48:10 Ls boss sonic >_>
<Stefan|SADX> my nickname for lost world is "panels from hell world"
<genus> oops, inconsistancies
<PsyBorg> ...what
<PsyBorg> i'm with mike
<PsyBorg> you purposely want me to lose :(
<genus> lolno
<PsyBorg> let me guess, your excuse is you picked it out of a hat
<genus> no, Thorn's complaint
<genus> he said everyone should face their closest competition
<Thorn> And I stand by it. As I post this, I realize it's TEAMS by points, which is really quite dumb IMO. Weighing down a "bad" player with ANOTHER "bad" player is just torture. My opinion aside, let's see what happens.
<genus> so I made the teams based on point rank
* RPG go take charlies stuff back
* RPG brb
<Thorn> Also genus you botched your post:
<PsyBorg> ...
<genus> yeah I know
<Thorn> I tried to only target you too.
<genus> the middle player thing
<genus> yeah
<genus> but why?
<Thorn> Because groudon had some bad luck with items before...
<Thorn> And it was his time.
<genus> was it because everyone thought I was changing the tournament to benefit me?
<PsyBorg> and I wanted revenge.
<genus> oic.
* RPG is now known as RPG[Legone]
<Thorn> And, knowing that ks8 was "half-correct" (yeah, we're not THAT stupid...), I trust a few others competitors thought this as well ...I hope, I don't like being alone
<genus> hey, I had to cover my tracks
<Thorn> I figured groudon's bad luck would make for an easier final match.
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<Groudon|SADX> The only bad luck I had in the final match was on Choco Mountain.
<Thorn> *looks up a few lines* genus, we didn't think you fixed it
<Thorn> ...but some ideas were... weird...
<Thorn> Groudon, you'd won by that point.
<Thorn> I hit you with a spiny ONCE, to try to dispel any suspicion. genus obviously figured it out, but does it really matter?
<genus> I'm telling you, ks8 gave me every private conversation he had about the tourney
<PsyBorg> it's also because I thought groudon should finally get to win something for once instead of being the guy just below me.
<PsyBorg> *in shadow
<Thorn> genus, we believe you. Why the "I'm telling you", you're not lying.
<PsyBorg> but mainly I just wanted to get back at you genus.
<SDM> a spiny? :o
<Thorn> Blue shell...
<Thorn> sorry
<Stefan|SADX> i beat panels from hell world
<Stefan|SADX> yay
<Groudon|SADX> This also was my first time in any type of tournament for anything.
<Thorn> genus, your biggest blunder was having the "leak" go through somebody we didn't entirely believe in the first place.
<SDM> who was that?
<genus> ks8
<Thorn> And the rule he described was so out-there that I wouldn't buy it.
<SDM> lol
<genus> I wanted it to sound fake
<genus> so people would maybe realise what I had planned As I mentioned earlier, I suspect that I and some others did
<Thorn> I used /msg to talk with him in chat, and he put in enough emoticons for me to see that something was amiss. This was my personal tip-off, anybody else care to share?
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<Thorn> Smilies everywhere, man.
<genus> but nobody looked back in the topic to figure out what I was doing
<SDM> 2 to go at:59 :o
<Thorn> genus, you mentioned the "leak" in the topic and I disregared it since I already was doubting it anyway.
<Thorn> It's funny how we all thought we were tricking each other when in reality we were all pretty lucid :D A summation of the entire conversation
<PsyBorg> genus
<PsyBorg> I had a feeling you were going to do that
<PsyBorg> partially anyway
<PsyBorg> because your reaction was like "oh yeah uh huh" PsyBorg's personal tip-off
<sonicandamy1> mmmm notting like vanilla wafers and spamming the first boss
<Thorn> ^use /nick to ditch the 1.
<SDM> I'd like to see a pic of that now :P
<sonicandamy1> i like my 1
<genus> PsyBorg, if the real information were leaked, I would have done it the same way
<Thorn> Also I am so logging this convo and putting it in the topic for yse.
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if Groudon won, and then we told him we handicapped it,
You did what? Tell me that isn't true.
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^Er, looks like that convo was posted for a third person too.
/me runs far, far away
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I would like to clarify some things about how I "partially" knew what Genus was doing:
By "oh yeah uh huh", I mean that Genus didn't make a big fuss about someone ruining his tourney. Here is the quote which pretty much lead me onto it (to a certain degree):
"I don't think it was RPG or SDM...ks didn't sound too happy about what I worked out for the final, so it's probably him. Regardless of what he has said,I am not planning on changing what I am doing for the rest of the tournament. It's word-terrorism. Word terrorism!"
In this particular situation, I made a "deal" with genus in that he'd give me some tips for the stages that I sucked at in round 2 in exchange for me telling him who the leaker was. Note both parts of the sentence; in the first part, Genus makes a point that ks8 did not seem optimistic, which is contradicted by ks8 telling us in the PM that the secret was "just too exciting" and making all other optimistic comments. In the second part of genus' PM to me, he once again directly displays that he has no apparent care for what happened (even in private!), which may seem like nothing to you, but in reality, it seemed to be proven further by him not making any major statement toward ks8 in the topic, or, to make that statement more true, anywhere. I didn't have enough proof to call BS on genus, but I was somewhat onto it.
Aaaanyway... yeah, good luck to me and mike. :(
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So we baited the ks8 crook with porn placed in a rope, tied on a skateboard. When the ks8 crook ran into the rope, we pulled the rope and the skateboard. The crook was pulled into an elaborate setup of traps, one of which we gave yse a Scooby Snack to help set up, which culminated in him trapped under a laundry basket. We stood there until the authoritites came, then reached in and took the ks8 mask off to find... genus?
He was then taken into a police car and driven away, all the while shouting that he "...would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling sonsabitches."
...okay, that was dumb. Seriously, though, this is the most conked-out tourney I've ever been in. We all tried to trick each other, we all saw right through each other. Let's just get back to Mario Kart.
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All I was focused on was racing. I never really paid attention to most anything else.
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I would like to clarify some things about how I "partially" knew what Genus was doing:
By "oh yeah uh huh", I mean that Genus didn't make a big fuss about someone ruining his tourney. Here is the quote which pretty much lead me onto it (to a certain degree):
"I don't think it was RPG or SDM...ks didn't sound too happy about what I worked out for the final, so it's probably him. Regardless of what he has said,I am not planning on changing what I am doing for the rest of the tournament. It's word-terrorism. Word terrorism!"
In this particular situation, I made a "deal" with genus in that he'd give me some tips for the stages that I sucked at in round 2 in exchange for me telling him who the leaker was. Note both parts of the sentence; in the first part, Genus makes a point that ks8 did not seem optimistic, which is contradicted by ks8 telling us in the PM that the secret was "just too exciting" and making all other optimistic comments. In the second part of genus' PM to me, he once again directly displays that he has no apparent care for what happened (even in private!), which may seem like nothing to you, but in reality, it seemed to be proven further by him not making any major statement toward ks8 in the topic, or, to make that statement more true, anywhere. I didn't have enough proof to call BS on genus, but I was somewhat onto it.
Aaaanyway... yeah, good luck to me and mike. :(
I thought he was gonna let me post it so I could clear my infamous rep.... Ah well... Anyway, yeah looks like the Ks8 is outta the bag.
But it was kinda fun...
Dunno why he said I wasn't optomistic about the idea, cause, quite frankly, I was. I told him it was cool and stuff; but anyway, hope that clears that up...
Sorry about this whole mess, guys; hope this doesn't change what you may think of me... if anything, I guess it probably would... negatively.
But I really do keep all my promises, as I said, and I'm true to my word. If he didn't tell me to tell all of you about this whole thing I wouldn't have said anything, honestly.
Hope you all forgive me for well being dragged into this "scheme" if you will, and Thorn, I guess this trick kinda makes us even with the trick you pulled on me in my topic about the "name change" scheme.... ;)
Anyway, GL to all of you still involved and I'm still bummed I can't have a share but I can't wait to see how the match turns out.... if only you guys could video it or something!! :P
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Sorry about this whole mess, guys; hope this doesn't change what you may think of me... if anything, I guess it probably would... negatively.
...and Thorn, I guess this trick kinda makes us even with the trick you pulled on me in my topic about the "name change" scheme.... ;)
Why would we hold this against you, you did what you were told. We don't hold grudges, hence why you're not the Ignorant Necromancer still. This whole thing just got way out of control, let's just go play Mario Kart again.
Oh, and the name-change was 10x better, it wasn't stressful. And it got me into chat for good, having to impersonate RPG.
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Rainbow Road-Psyborg, yse
Yoshi Circuit-Thorn, genus
Snes Mario 1-Thorn, genus
Wario Stadium-Thorn, genus
3-1 Thorn, genus
Good games everyone.
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Results:
Rainbow Road - PsyBorg (1-0)
Yoshi Circuit - Thorn (1-1)
SNES MC1 - Thorn (1-2)
Wario Stadium - Thorn (1-3)
A bit of bad luck with items, but you expect that in any MK game.
Good game all.
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I don't think a match between us and RPG is possible due to the fact that RPG comes on at a very different time than mike. Nothing has been happening for quite a while now. What should we do?
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Wait on it. Generally, schedules change during the weekends. SDM's day off is coming up, so I'm sure it won't be hard to arrange schedules based on that. Remember the "good old days" of SDM, RPG, and yse playing at once? No, you don't. You aren't a part of that set. But everyone will play each other within a few days.
If not, I'll have to think of something else.
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Everyone try to get on tommorow, Friday, at 9 PM EST, ignoring daylight savings time. To the best of my knowledge, this means:
genus-9 PM
Thorn-9 PM
PsyBorg-9 PM
SDM-9 PM
RPG-4 AM (sucks to be you)
yse-9 AM
...
Ok so everyone try to be on then. And if you can't, we'll try again on Saturday at, say, 10 PM.
Everyone stay up late if you must, or get some sleep and set your alarm to around when you should be enetering chat, play what you need to, and sleep again.
PS sorry non-americans.
Oh and actually, everyone post the time when they are most able to play. That way, something can be worked out.
Myself-any time that's not 7 PM EST, although since I'm moving on Sunday, I might not be on as much.
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4AM you must be joking.
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^Hey, it's you that had no charger or just wasn't in the mood when we were ready in chat. It works both ways :)
Take a nap or drink coffee or something.
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If I take a nap thats it, slumberland for 12 hours <_<
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genus, you fail. 9PM Eastern is 7AM for me, and thus 2AM for RPG.
And there's no way I'm waking up at 7am on a Saturday.
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THE MATCH HAS FINALLY BEEN DONE!!!!!!
pwnage 4-0 me and mike win. Stages picked were SNES Mario Circuit (by me), Rainbow Road (mike/yse), Sky Garden (RPG), and Choco Mountain (SDM). Our plan didn't exactly work in SG, but we won anyway due to nice thunderbolt timing and awesome snaking. Good job, mikey.
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I take it I held everyone up last night when I fell asleep. Sorry.
How about the same time tonight? My computer may not be here (I'm not sure on this), but I'll have my DS in hand. Should everyone be ready for the match, have one player search once, stop, then search again. Otherwhise, I will assume that someone is playing someone else for fun.
And Thorn, remember our plan. This will work best for banishing RPG and SDM into losing.
...Actually, I think they're statistically eliminated if we win even 2 matches.
Meh.
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^They're gone if they lose even ONE match. They need four wins straight so that we only have three total.
Also yeah, everyone did show last night, weird. A sign of the Rapture, methinks.
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Congrats guys!
I've been thinking, actually, when my dad comes around to getting my sister a DS, should I get MKDS or Sonic Rush? I wanna play both badly but can't decide which I should get...
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Get them both. Each of them are very good games.
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Get them both. Each of them are very good games.
As much as I'd love to, considering I'm getting the Wii as well and I'll be focusing on that more, I'd probably only get one. In that case, which one do you guys think is "better" and why? I'm also trying to factor in competition purposes and even the MKDS tournament..
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Same time tonight everyone? Oh and on to stefan's question now I suppose.
I warn you, this is my opinion. As such, ignore it.
Buy MKDS.
Both are good games, but MKDS offers more. Sonic Rush needs more online and more replay value. Though mind you it is fun for a very good while.
Oh and Thorn's right. Which means it's time for...the...score. Yeah.
The Score (checkitoutcheckitoutcheckitoutcheckitout)
PsyBorg, yse-15
Genus, Thorn-9 (4 courses left, max score 21)
RPG, SDM-0 (4 courses left, max score 12)
Oh and hey, there's this dohicky:
Total Points
genus-90
Groudon-87
PsyBorg-81
Thorn-78
Mike-45
RPG-21
SDM-Nothing! Stupid.
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So what does this mean for me? Will I do any more ranked racing?
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Ok, I'm just now realising something. Could someone from last night's match (PsyBorg, yse, Thorn, or SDM) tell me what courses were played?
Frappe Snowland-RPG, SDM (in a last minute shocking win)
Choco Mountain-genus, Thorn
Baby Park-genus, Thorn
Figure 8-genus, Thorn
3-1 genus, Thorn
Good Games.
And now it's time for:
The Score (Nanana, nanana, hey hey hey...)
genus, Thorn-18
PsyBorg, yse-15
RPG, SDM-3
Total Score
genus-99
Groudon-87
PsyBorg-81
Thorn-87
Mike-45
RPG-24*
SDM-5*
*A strike means that that player is eliminated.
That's right. We've eliminated our first two players. They won't be coming back. These zombies have had their hearts and brains rips ripped out, they've been shot with silver bullets, driven with stakes, shown their reflection, and everything else. As inferi, they were failures. They were probably the first zombies to be killed in the zombie movie or game. You didn't deserve to be killed by Ed with an ashtray, cads.
Well here it is. Round...6 is it? It's really winding down. Eventually, I will exert no more control over you. I will have failed my Machiavellian destiny. So here's the deal with round 6 and my awful tyranny. Man, I am a Tyrant.
You're facing your teammate. Your former brother in arms. Remember in every war movie ever, they have the token deserter character and the inevitable confrontation? Well in most war movies (the good ones, Saving Private Ryan is an exception, though maybe not because of Steamboat Willie), someone gets killed in that confrontation, and ethics are questioned.
This is the confrontation. It's eight levels (each player picks 4 courses, no courses may be played twice) and all the standard rules apply. Except one. Which I'll get to later.
This makes it:
genus (the Tyrant) vs. Thorn (the Tyrant's former #2)
PsyBorg (the Tyrant's midranking member) vs. yse (the Tyrant's underling who wants out)
...and the surprise match...
Groudon (the Tyrant's warlord) vs. SDM (the Tyrant's advisor)
...just kidding.
In reality, Groudon can sit back and laugh at us as we all struggle to face him. I briefly thought about everyone having to face groudon and the losers being eliminated...but that's lame you know? Yeah it's an all out friend brawl. Your friends who aren't anymore because they have defied the Tyrant.
Like I was saying, there is one more rule which I, as a Tyrant, need to inform you, the Tyrant's mob, of. Highlight the following text and paste it somewhere to reveal its contents: snaking is required.
You know, we are all reptilian Tyrants in a way. So may the best Tyrant win.
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Ok, I'm just now realising something. Could someone from last night's match (PsyBorg, yse, Thorn, or SDM) tell me what courses were played?
pwnage 4-0 me and mike win. Stages picked were SNES Mario Circuit (by me), Rainbow Road (mike/yse), Sky Garden (RPG), and Choco Mountain (SDM).
Fucking idiot.
Also, good luck for when we fight, genus/thorn. >.>
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Man, I am a Tyrant.
You're facing your teammate. Your former brother in arms. Remember in every war movie ever, they have the token deserter character and the inevitable confrontation? Well in most war movies (the good ones, Saving Private Ryan is an exception, though maybe not because of Steamboat Willie), someone gets killed in that confrontation, and ethics are questioned.
This is the confrontation. It's eight levels (each player picks 4 courses, no courses may be played twice) and all the standard rules apply. Except one. Which I'll get to later.
This makes it:
genus (the Tyrant) vs. Thorn (the Tyrant's former #2)
PsyBorg (the Tyrant's midranking member) vs. yse (the Tyrant's underling who wants out)
...and the surprise match...
Groudon (the Tyrant's warlord) vs. SDM (the Tyrant's advisor)
...just kidding.
In reality, Groudon can sit back and laugh at us as we all struggle to face him. I briefly thought about everyone having to face groudon and the losers being eliminated...but that's lame you know? Yeah it's an all out friend brawl. Your friends who aren't anymore because they have defied the Tyrant.
Like I was saying, there is one more rule which I, as a Tyrant, need to inform you, the Tyrant's mob, of. Highlight the following text and paste it somewhere to reveal its contents: snaking is required.
You know, we are all reptilian Tyrants in a way. So may the best Tyrant win.
After you mentioned the line this quote starts at, the entire thing got extremely confusing. Tell me this in terms that are much less confusing.
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Man, I am a Tyrant.
You're facing your teammate. Your former brother in arms. Remember in every war movie ever, they have the token deserter character and the inevitable confrontation? Well in most war movies (the good ones, Saving Private Ryan is an exception, though maybe not because of Steamboat Willie), someone gets killed in that confrontation, and ethics are questioned.
This is the confrontation. It's eight levels (each player picks 4 courses, no courses may be played twice) and all the standard rules apply. Except one. Which I'll get to later.
This makes it:
genus (the Tyrant) vs. Thorn (the Tyrant's former #2)
PsyBorg (the Tyrant's midranking member) vs. yse (the Tyrant's underling who wants out)
...and the surprise match...
Groudon (the Tyrant's warlord) vs. SDM (the Tyrant's advisor)
...just kidding.
In reality, Groudon can sit back and laugh at us as we all struggle to face him. I briefly thought about everyone having to face groudon and the losers being eliminated...but that's lame you know? Yeah it's an all out friend brawl. Your friends who aren't anymore because they have defied the Tyrant.
Like I was saying, there is one more rule which I, as a Tyrant, need to inform you, the Tyrant's mob, of. Highlight the following text and paste it somewhere to reveal its contents: snaking is required.
You know, we are all reptilian Tyrants in a way. So may the best Tyrant win.
After you mentioned the line this quote starts at, the entire thing got extremely confusing. Tell me this in terms that are much less confusing.
I think I've made some sense of it but don't criticize me for it if I'm wrong... or even if I'm right. :P
He's comparing the fact that you're all going to be facing the people you've worked alongside you've helped to get through the tournament up till this point. He's saying how, now, the same person that helped you, is the one you'll have to be pitted against.
He's also assigning names to all of you, again, comparing eahc of you in relation to himself... I believe.
But the whole mob thing I don't get either... :P
He's also saying,in effect, that you're good at the MKDS tournament and he can picture everyone just losing easily and that wouldn't be much fun (reminds me of something else...).
In a few word, he's saying every participant for himself; no holds barred, as Espio would say, and whether or not you're friends with the guy you're facing, show no mercy. That's how I've interpreted it... as much sense as I could, anyway.
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Well, my tournament's over.
Rainbow Road - 1-0 Psy
Wario Stadium - 2-0 Psy
Luigi's Mansion - 3-0 Psy
Baby Park - 4-0 Psy
That's right, he won on all my selections!
SNES MC1 - 4-1 Psy
Delfino Square - 5-1 Psy
GCN Yoshi Circuit - 6-1 Psy
GBA Sky Garden - 6-2 Psy
GG to Psy and everyone I've faced in the tournament.
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As I thought would happen (no offense), I won, but with a bit of bad luck on two stages. Mike played well, nevertheless.
Mike's stages:
Rainbow Road: (Me) I liked this one, mainly because Mike fell into a trap. Before the last loop, I had a leaderbomb and I was in front. He was slightly behind me. I braked, and he went onto the loop. I fired, and he fell off course, thus causing him to lose the match regardless of how many times he BS'd and RS'd me after.
Wario Stadium: (Me) Nothing to note here.
Luigi's Mansion: (Me) Also nothing to note here, except I screwed up and hit the trees a few times. Despite this, Mike never caught up to me when I went ahead of him.
Baby Park: (Finally, it's not... Mike!) Nothing to note here either. I won despite a bit of bad luck at one point.
My stages:
Snes Mario Circuit: (Once again... oh wait, it's Mike.) Sadly, I had the perfect winning strat until Mike laid a perfectly unexpected fake box on the ground, screwing me over. Good shot, boy, you sure screwed me up.
Delfino City: (The glorious ME ME ME!) This was scary as shit. I was about to have my leaderbomb stolen in lap 2 as I went in the muddy alley in first place, with Mike quite a bit behind. However... the boo just... stood there and did nothing. Then it ran away. It was freaky. Second, Mike directly ran himself into the boxes near the alley like an idiot. Afterwards, he tripped over the box I laid in lap one nearby that area to prevent him from entering the alley fast. Meh, I can't blame him, though, we all mess up sometimes. Still, that boo thing was freaky.
Yoshi Circuit: (Meh, it was ME!) We both played horribly, but I ended up winning regardless. We both messed up our miniturbo shortcuts once, and we hit offroad and items like idiots, so its unexcusable nevertheless. On a side note, we did this out of order, as I was going to do Sky Garden before Yoshi Circuit, as was mentioned in the chat, but we were both freaked out by Delfino City.
Sky Garden: (Meh, it was MIKE!) Mike cleverly evaded what would have been a well-timed Red Shell, and minimized the effects of the shell. He somehow gained a lead over me with a leaderbomb in his hand, and I was only able to get past him near the end, where he BS'd me. Lesson: Never charge forth like and idiot. Do it near the end of the stage.
Good game anyway, Mike. Genus/Thorn, I await your match.
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I can't wait for the reuslts, either. Good games guys. Hope my Riders tournament will turn out as asmuing and fun as this one was... If I ever get MKDS, wonder if you'd restart the Tournament :P
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genus vs. Thorn
Set 1
Desert Hills:genus
Wario Stadium:Thorn
Frappe Snowland:genus
Peach Circuit:Thorn
Set 2
Mario Circuit:Thorn
MooMoo Farm:Thorn
Choco Mountain:Thorn
Yoshi Circuit:Thorn
6-2 Thorn
Good games.
Yeah, that's right. Mike and I have been eliminated this round. As far as the tournament is concerned, Mike wasn't important. I was. I organised it. I could probably ruin everyone's fun by reinserting myself into the tournament with some sham of a rule. But yeah, I won't do that. I'll just get to do something highly spiteful...
Total Score
Thorn-105
genus-99
PsyBorg-99
Groudon-87
Mike-51
RPG-24
SDM-5
For round 7,his leaves us with the matchup of:
Psyborg (!@%#&$*) vs. Thorn(!@%#&$*x10) vs...Groudon
The same rules as last time apply. Wait...no they don't.
They don't at all!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
but also...
D:D:D:D:D:D:D:
...Spent all that time on Sky Garden for nothing.
Anyways, here is how this round is different from last: everyone eliminated chooses the levels. 4 per person, to be exact, with each person's nominations to be played as a set. It's a gauntlet of sorts, really. 16 levels. Wow.
So that means everyone other than Psy, Thorn, and groudon needs to give them levels to play. You are of course:
RPG-Eliminated before he even began. Seriously. It's a racer, not an RPG. Get with the program.
SDM-Eliminated after he even began, but technically before too...
yse-no.
genus-Crash and burn under pressure. But I mean totally understandable. And it's not as though playing conditions were ideal either. I mean, propped up against a cardboard box next to a radiator with sweaty hands? It's a wonder that I didn't make any excuses, too.
So anyways, here is a nifty template everyone else needs to copy when posting their courses. Psy, Thorn, and groudon will play the courses in the order they appear on the template.
Nifty Template
RPG:
SDM:
Mike:
genus:Yoshi Falls, Desert Hills, Frappe Snowland, Baby Park
Did I mention that you can brake/reverse now? You can. Oh, and it's definitely, 100% not a Tyrant match. Free pick.
Plus, Groudon will be playing as well, and I neglected to explain this part earlier. Whoever has the least ammount of points (not total) in the round is eliminated. A first place finish in a course is worth 3 points, a second place finish in a course is worth 1 point, and a last place finish in a course is worth no points.
Good luck all, and may the chaos begin.
Someone is bound to mention it. I said groudon wouldn't be playing until the "very end"; however, when you think about it, that is a relative term. This tournament is, indeed, winding down; it could be over in days. Since when does someone use "the very end" to describe the actual end, but not the beggining of that end? Never.
I said groudon would face the winner of the first bracket; and he is indeed. It's a 3 player, and one player will be eliminated. The player in second is considered the winner of the second bracket, as they would have been eliminated if I made no sense whatsoever. If groudon comes in seconds, he is facing his inner mkds demons against whoever comes in first. Those demons are indeed part of himself. So if he wins, he's facing himself, the winner of that second bracket?
Confused? Good.
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This time, only the last full paragraph confused me, but I kinda get it.
Anyway, I'm up for a good race against people who don't cheat (*coughHCCcough*), but I gotta find where I put the game.
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NIFTY TEMPLATE.
RPG:
SDM:
Mike: Luigi's Mansion, Wario Stadium, GCN Luigi, GCN Yoshi
genus:Yoshi Falls, Desert Hills, Frappe Snowland, Baby Park
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NIFTY TEMPLATE VER 3.
RPG: Sky Garden, Choco Island 2, Rainbow Road, N64 Choco Mountain
SDM:
Mike: Luigi's Mansion, Wario Stadium, GCN Luigi, GCN Yoshi
genus:Yoshi Falls, Desert Hills, Frappe Snowland, Baby Park
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You just had to pick that course, didn't you?
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NIFTY TEMPLATE 5000. :o
RPG: Sky Garden, Choco Island 2, Rainbow Road, N64 Choco Mountain
SDM: N64 Moo-Moo Farm, SNES Mario Circuit 1, GBA Peach Circuit, Mario Circuit.
Mike: Luigi's Mansion, Wario Stadium, GCN Luigi, GCN Yoshi
genus:Yoshi Falls, Desert Hills, Frappe Snowland, Baby Park
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1st half
groudon-psyborg-me
SG: 3-1-0
CI2:3-1-0
RR:0-1-3
CM:1-3-0
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MMF:0-3-1
MC1:0-3-1
PC:3-1-0
MC:3-0-1
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Total 13-13-6
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Genus, you picked stages you knew I'd fail at, and what'd you get? :(
Mike's stages were surprisingly favorable to me. Although Yoshi Circuit was displayed as a win on my end, Thorn somehow won.
Well, I've assumed I've lost because of how much I sucked shit during Genus' stages, so good game guys.
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^I really hope you don't think that I kept score. A few lag losses threw my point totals for a loop. And as soon as I got BS'd in Yoshi Circuit and fell to 3rd at the goal line, I stopped counting as it was clinched.
Also, with what is likely my last breath in this topic, I call that any similar tourneys should have biological warfare banned. I think I was injected with Groudon's bad item virus, blue shells right next to five different goal lines ftl.
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I think mike's tracks went me-psy-psy-me, unless I remembered incorrectly. Thorn finished last on them each IIRC.
genus's tracks were not the best for anyone. Thorn won YF and Psy took 2nd. Desert Hills, I got a humongous lead when Psy and Thorn drove into the sand on the last turn on lap 1 for too long. Thorn took 2nd that time. On FS, I think I took 1st and Psy took 2nd, but I might be wrong. BP... Thanks to a lucky blue shell I got on the last lap, I took 1st. Unfortunately, I don't remember which of the other 2 took 2nd.
Until everything is cleared up, don't tally up the final points as of yet.
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Well, Groudon said he didn't keep score either, so we're totally fucked.
What I do know:
I got 2nd (undeservedly) in Luigi's Mansion.
I got 1st in Wario Stadium and GCN Luigi.
I got 2nd (once again, undeservedly) in GCN Yoshi. From what Thorn said, Groudon must have won.
I got 2nd (woah, undeservedly!) in Yoshi Falls, beaten by Thorn as Groudon BS'd me.
I got 3rd (obviously I went insane at this time) in Desert Hills.
I got 1st in Frappe (not entirely sure, but didn't place in 3rd and I recall having a good feeling after the match)
I was treated like shit with item boxes and lost to Groudon in Baby Park (2nd)
That's all I know. I thought Thorn was going to keep score, so it's his fault >.>
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Now with what Groudon said, we know this:
Groudon won in first for LM, me in second.
I won WS with Groudon in 2nd.
I won in GCN Luigi with Groudon in 2nd.
Groudon won in first for GCN Yoshi, me in 2nd.
I lost in 2nd in Yoshi Falls as groudon BS'd me, with thorn winning.
Groudon won in 1st with Thorn finishing 2nd in Desert Hills.
????? gets first in Frappe, with ?????? finishing in second, Thorn being last.
Groudon won in first for BP, me in 2nd.
So Frappe is totally confusing. I had a very good feeling after the match though, so I think I won.
EDIT: If I was to count the score for me winning in frappe, this would end up in:
Me: 26
Thorn: 10
Groudon:28
So basically, I should be 2 points behind groudon, with thorn being kicked out of the tourney.
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I'm trying to remember the end, but now that I look back, I might have been in the lead at the final set of item boxes. I remember you 2 getting triple mushrooms at the same time there, so I think I won. Of course, that race's end was a real blur, so I'm not 100% sure if I won or not.
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I believe I won, but really it doesn't matter as the places would still be the same. Read my post edit for the scores.
EDIT: In case you're lazy, copy/paste:
Me: 26
Thorn: 10
Groudon:28
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I thought Thorn was going to keep score, so it's his fault >.>
Huhwhat? I didn't sign anything.
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Well, you kept score for the first half, so we assumed you'd do the same for this half.
/me run
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^You know the saying about that. And I kept score for my own reasons. I only posted it because when we were in chat afterwards, you two had forgotten. But the current score is right.
Also I can't imagine how points would matter. If I did the math correctly, then overall Groudon and I are tied for points, with Groudon actually being in front of me as he accomplished that many points in less matches. Psyborg is in the lead, I was too lazy to do the math there too.
You know the best part? I don't need to do the math. I'm eliminated (no twist plz). I'm free. Free. FREE!!! hahahahahaha.
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Well, well, well well. Round 8 is over.
R.I.P...Thorn, who seemingly lost interest at the end. No zombies though; having learned from their prior mistakes, holy water was used on the body prior to burial.
So that leaves us with PsyBorg and Groudon in the final match. How will the real final be played? Keep reading after total scores.
Total Score
PsyBorg-125
Groudon-115
Thorn-115
genus-99
Mike-51
RPG-24
SDM-5
Right.
To reiterate, here is the final match.
PsyBorg (Underdog) vs. Groudon (Bracket 1 Champion)
And now, a brief bio of the remaining players in the final match for this MKDS tournament.
PsyBorg-PsyBorg joined the tournament, and underwhelmed everyone. Seriously. He passed the first two rounds in decent standing, but then was crushed mercilessly by myself...in a 4-3 win, I know. After teaming up with Thorn to prevent me from being crowned as the "champion", he was brought back. At this point, he existed during the team match, which enabled him to breeze by SDM and RPG. When facing Mike, he didn't have much difficulty; indeed, he had a lack of difficulty and easily advanced. Against Thorn and groudon, he held his own. And now he wants to not lose, I suppose.
Groudon-Groudon also joined the tournament, only as the expected favorite. He had a lackluster first round, probably finishing fourth if I remember correctly. In round two, he tied with myself for first, which is ok, I guess. Upon facing Thorn, he won. Then he beat me. For a while, he twiddled his thumbs, and fended off Thorn and Groudon, advancing to the final.
And now, a commemoration to everyone who isn't in the final and how they got there.
SDM-A big help in organising the tourney, he only got 3 points.
RPG-A big help with NOTHING, he was technically the first to be eliminated.
Mike89-Did kind of ok, but served a purpose; every tournament needs a solid middle player.
genus-win.
Ok, enough stalling. Here is how the final will work.
You see, life is about...improving, I guess. When you can't do something well ,you should try to improve. So I have determined the worst courses for the two finalists, based on their past experiences (so now it's clear why I brought groudon back, yes?). I looked at not only how badly someone did on a given course, but also how well someone else did on that course. This gives us:
Set 1
Baby Park
Snes Mario Circuit 1
Rainbow Road
Luigi's Mansion
Set 2
Yoshi Falls
Cheep Cheep Beach
DK Pass
Mario Circuit
The rules are very interesting; groudon and Psy make them up for each set, though they must play the courses in the set. As groudon's worst courses are in set 1, it's only logical that he gains control over set 2; and as Psy's worst courses are in set 2, it's only logical that he gains control over set 1. The only restriction is that a given player cannot be awarded a win by default (no "PsyBorg must finish in first for all 4 courses"), and you must race in a manner where a win is obtainable (nothing like "PsyBorg must drive backwards during the race"). This is to show an understanding of the game beyond mere tech; creativity and spur of the moment decisions are a must in any game when played competitively, especially if you hope to unite a community. As the saying I made up just now goes:"play with your mind, not just your hands". The rules each player wishes to apply must be posted in this topic and approved before the round is to begin (mind you, not tonight). In the event of a tie, RPG will get to decide the rules for the default tiebreaker of Figure 8, Figure 8, Rainbow Road, Rainbow Road, assuming they are approved.
And there is something I have yet to mention. As extra incentive, the winner of this tournament will receive a MYSTERY PRIZE. Yeah, it's a real prize; nothing like an air guitar. It will be announced post-tournament, with an explanation provided.
The word "tyrant" was used once in this post.
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Enjoy your match guys! GL.
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Groudon... fended off Thorn and Groudon, advancing to the final.
Okay, so that last post wasn't my last word in this topic. I can't help it, I'm a smart ass.
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Well, RPG's tiebreaker rules are in, and they will impede groudon and PsyBorg's progress in a generic way, should they tie. Here they are:
1) All races must be done with the Tyrant.
2) Items may not be used.
3) The final lap must be completed in reverse gear. (side note:he means crossing the finish line in reverse, it is impossible to complete Rainbow Road in reverse)
4) You may not let go of A or press B at any moment, unless trying to cross the finish line in reverse. No items.
5) No use of R button.
RPG can still make changes to these rules if he so chooses, or I have not accurately described what he wants to happen for the elusive (and yet unplayed) tiebreaker.
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For everything there, I respond in the following way to RPG:
N0 U
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Sounds good to me genus :D
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Psy just told me what his rules were, and I have approved them. In an attempt to surprise groudon, he does not wish to post them at this time; mind you, they do not break my limitations on what can be done, and groudon can do the same with me, should he so choose. I will not be here tommorow, and as such would like groudon to inform me what he has in mind so I can offer my consent, and he and Psy can face each other, Psy having informed me he will likely be unavailable after tommorow.
If you race tommorow, post which rules were implimented; I won't be here, and want to make sure neither player slipped in a rule violating the terms of this round.
Practice up, both of you. Or don't. Actually, don't; some things can't be practiced for. Like RPG's rules. Those are seriously amusing from the perspective of a disgruntled third party.
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Due to time constraints and how early Psy had to race, I ran out of time to think up rules, so one rule: No rules.
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I had horrible luck today, and the kart I had to use for Psy's rules sucks. Also, I was caught off-guard by how suddenly he had to race me and the urgancy of it. I only won on Rainbow Road.
But good game, anyway, Psy.
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Woah, this was nice.
Basically, I tricked groudon into thinking I had tons of chores to do this day and my dad would kill me if he found me playing MKDS online. This kind of rushed groudon, as I kept my rules secret. This made Groudon entirely surprised and unprepared for what I had in store for him. He also had no rules, like a "no items" rule, which would have killed me, so rushing him made it more favorable to me. All of this was part of my mind games, which should impress genus.
Then... All I needed was luck... and I got it.
First Set: Groudon's worst stages
Rules:
-Standard DK kart is to be used.
Baby Park: Me (Groudon didn't know he could snake at this point, and despite and RS and BS, he still lost.)
SNES Mario Circuit: Me (he tried to mushroom it at the end, but didn't notice I had a leaderbomb right there :D)
Rainbow Road: Groudon (bad moves on my part, plus bad luck at the end)
Luigi's Mansion: Me (good mushroom saving on my part)
End Results: 3-1
Second Set: My worst stages
Rules:
-Standard tournament rules.
COMPLETE BLACKOUT BY PSYBORG
Yoshi Falls: I have certainly improved on this stage in my snaking. Not much else to say, but it's a good feeling.
Cheep Cheep Beach: Groudon hit a crab on lap 3, and although I haven't improved on this as much, I still feel good about it.
DK Pass: No improvement really, but I had good luck with items.
Mario Circuit: I have DEFINITELY improved on this stage. Better snaking and good mushroom saving let me kick Groudon's ass one last time. I am proud of improvement here.
Final results: 7-1
And that, my friends, ends the tournament and leaves me to claim championship and the MYSTERY PRIZE. What shall it be? Tune in tomorrow when genus is on!
ps: hooray for mind games once again.
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Actually, Psy, I knew you had a BS on SNES Mario Circuit. I tried to mushroom away from the impact, but failed. And on CCB, I hit the crab on lap 2.
Wait. You were just setting me up? I must say, that was really... clever.
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Actually, Psy, I knew you had a BS on SNES Mario Circuit. I tried to mushroom away from the impact, but failed. And on CCB, I hit the crab on lap 2.
:O. Well if it was either this or that, it still carries out the same meaning; I leaderbombed you as you tried to beat me in that one last lap/you hit a crab.
You were just setting me up? I must say, that was really... clever.
"play with your mind, not just your hands"-genus
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That was certainly interesting. The winner of the tournament is PsyBorg, by an incredibly narrow margin.
I'm not kidding you or being sarcastic; he just barely won.You'll find out in a minute after the final score and final results are determined.
Final Score
*PsyBorg-146*
Groudon-118
Thorn-115
genus-99
Mike-51
RPG-24
SDM-5
Final Placing
1)PsyBorg
2)Groudon
3)Thorn
4)genus
5)yse
6)RPG
7)SDM
Right. You remember how I was making a tally of points and nobody knew why? Well, the total points of a given user divided by the total rounds of a given user would determine how much that player would need to beat the other by. I'll show you what a mean.
PsyBorg had a total of 7 non-championship rounds; in these 7 rounds, he scored a total of 125 points. 125/7=an average of 17.8571429 points per round (rounded up, 18).
Groudon had a total of 5 non-championship rounds; in these 5 rounds, he scored a total of 115 points. 115/5=an average of 23 points per round.
So Psy would have needed to beat Groudon by at least 5 points. The comparitive round score was 21-3; he won by 18. Actually...that wasn't so close. Maybe if I do this:
146/8=18.25 (rounded down to 18)
118/6=19.6666667 (rounded up to 20)
...Nope. Maybe I could force groudon to face Psy for the difference of the wins in a 2 set "spectacuar"...but then it will seem as though I am using favoritism to help groudon. And I allready said Psy won in chat...
Well, no gimmicky surprise this time: Psy wins. Seeing as how I can't bring anyone back, attempting to prolong the announcement of prizes is a futile attempt.
Everyone who did not finish in first wins an air guitar, magically floating above a calm sea. A picture: (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7797/nothingps8.jpg)
Everyone who did not finish worse than second wins...well, you'll just have to keep reading.
Organising a tournament is a lot of work; keeping it interesting is even more work. You have to improvise to give everyone the idea that this is not just another bland tournament. For example, SDM and I only planned to have the two sets of each player's worst courses; the modified ruleset was a spur of the moment thing.
However, once you run out of ideas, it becomes quite generic. Or maybe your ideas are too out there and people lose interest. And when it's over...then what? Do you start another one up the week later. The answer is of course no, because everyone just got through playing a tournament. You have to wait a while, at a point where more people will be willing or able to participate. Though they know what to expect, so your crazy ideas aren't as surprising this time through. At this point, the only logical thing to do is make a very large post concerning the matter.
Psy won the tournament not because of skill (no offense to Psy, but in a raw snaking match, he generally stands no chance), but because of tactics; something like not shooting your item load immediately, tricking groudon, and so on. Giving someone the idea that you are doing one thing when you are in fact doing another is the whole purpose of creativity. And administration, though these two rarely go together.
So he thought things through, made split second decision, and came through because of it. I'm sure you've guessed his prize by now.
Psy: because of your victory, you get to help me run the next tournament.
...Just kidding. PsyBorg will run the next tournament, and pass on that right to the winner of it or, should he win again, himself.
I just have a few words of advice.
For one, don't begin until sometime in 2007 (New Year's at the earliest). If a tournament is held every month or so, it doesn't have as much value. Do not start the tournament for at least two months, and when you do, start it at a slow point for TSC (pre Secret Rings, I suppose). Also, confide in a third party who is not part of the tournament before it begins to get their input, or at least to avoid accusations of favoritism/changing rules to help yourself. It's a good idea to not just stick to the format you listed for reasons allready mentioned. Oh, and if you need to, flesh out the tournament's length. I had...was it 7...total entrants, and we were into the "final match" a week or so in. With my new "twists", it has gone...has it been another month? That is all.
Tournament over: I suppose PsyBorg should make a new topic for his when he feels the time is right.
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I sort of knew this was going to happen.
Well really, I wasn't going to start it until some time in 2k7 anyway (not immediately after new year). This is because my dad is either going to get pissed off that I would have been stealing "his" basement due to lack to DS wireless range, and/or I'm too lazy to get a new DS because I would lose my wifi stats and it costs me money that I would otherwise save up for other stuff during Jesusmas time. This doesn't mean the tournament won't happen, though. It will happen sometime in mid to late January, but pre-Secret Rings. This is because of (see side note below) and the fact that, like genus said, TSC will be dead by then.
As a side note, I am also looking into any possible alternatives to get me running on Wifi, although I'm not sure if I'll even be able to, considering the fact that I'm the only person in the world who uses a mac. There are no wireless range extenders or anything like that for the DS, so it may be possible that I will not compete in the tournament I create. In that case, I will simply be bored. But hey, you never know what will happen.
Anyways, adios for now, and good luck to anyone who joins the next MKDS tournament.
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Well, Psy, if you get a new DS, you can transfer the WiFi settings from one DS to another. This way, you won't lose your stats.
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Well, Psy, if you get a new DS, you can transfer the WiFi settings from one DS to another. This way, you won't lose your stats.
Is this actually true? In this case, I'll see how much money I can save up and I might work a bit harder to get a used DS.
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Congrats Psy. Finally this tournament is over, after much frustration, agony, and well... more frustration. Anyway, glad to see you all made it this far without losing your sanity, 'specially Psy. Congrats again.