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Sonic Central => Leaderboard Disputes => Topic started by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 10:20:24 pm

Title: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 10:20:24 pm
I found it suspicious when he came out of nowhere with two records in sonic cd. He could have done that times all right, BUT he forgot a little detail. His time in QQ1 is 19'97''. The thousandth counter in sonic cd doesn't show the number 7, so he can't have done this time. His "records" are both BS.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 22, 2006, 10:27:51 pm
It doesn't show a 7?  I always thought it did.
And don't criticize BOTH his records out of nowhere.  ChrisB submitted a (now beaten) Rush record almost right after he joined TSC, and no one mentioned that.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 10:35:52 pm
There are other numbers it doesn't show.
One proven, there's a great chance that the other is fake too.
And I'm talking about his sonic cd times. It doesn't make his times in other games fake.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: B. Hatfield on September 22, 2006, 10:50:34 pm
i couldnt remember the last digit. i just knew it was in the 6, 7, and 8 area. i just kinda guessed on that last digit, but the rest of the time is accurate.

sorry for any confusion. i shouldve put it in the comment, but i forgot.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 22, 2006, 10:53:42 pm
He did tell me that he guessed at the last digit when I PMed him earlier.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 10:55:03 pm
I didn't buy that.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: B. Hatfield on September 22, 2006, 10:58:08 pm
eh, believe what you want. i aint gonna argue. i know its a legit record. if i had what i needed to prove it, i would.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 11:07:58 pm
Explain what you did in the level. You must have a very specific strat to get that time.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: yse on September 22, 2006, 11:08:11 pm
Good thing someone pointed this out, because I didn't feel like it.

Records like that don't just come out of nowhere. There were four, one on SH as well and another one on [EDIT: CP1 Sonic 21...] all of which seemed quite unbelievable.

Consider this an official proof request.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: B. Hatfield on September 22, 2006, 11:11:25 pm
i just went through as fast as i could. i didnt have a real strategy.

you know what? i dont care. believe what you want.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 22, 2006, 11:14:35 pm
Records like that don't just come out of nowhere.

Tell that to ChrisB, who submitted a... you know what?  Just look at my 1st post in this topic.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 11:26:47 pm
You come to me and say that you don't have a strat for that time?? That's a good one! I lost a lot of time making a strat for nothing, because I could have maken a better time just going through as fast as I could...
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 22, 2006, 11:30:57 pm
Some records on TSC were set without the record setter knowing exactly what he or she did.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 11:32:57 pm
I really don't think that's the case.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 22, 2006, 11:35:57 pm
Well, my Leaf Storm Boss (Blaze) record on Rush was set without me figuring out what I did.  But that might be because of the randomness of bosses in that game.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 11:45:29 pm
He would need to use some tricks in that level in order to make a really good time. And he just said he didn't use any.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 22, 2006, 11:49:53 pm
You don't stop in QQ1's record. That means he would have to run somehow even faster then we do USING the tricks to make a better time. People don't do those tricks playing casually.
That's why I think it's fake.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 12:03:38 am
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you know what? i dont care.

If you don't care B. Hatfield, take out these records.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 12:05:58 am
Umm... could you rephrase that sentence?  It made no sense.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 12:10:52 am
Sorry, I don't know how to use quotes very well...

He said he didn't care about explaining his records. So, if he doesn't care, take them out.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 12:12:45 am
It's not that I couldn't understand the quote, it was what you said in response.  You said "take you these records," which I didn't understand.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 12:16:49 am
ops.... you=out
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: F-Man on September 23, 2006, 05:59:19 am
Ok, why do some people think it's cool and stuff to submit random centiseconds? It's just centiseconds so no one must care right? Wrong!

you know what? i dont care. believe what you want.
Others care, and what they want to believe are the stats they compete against. If they're not believable, there's a problem.

The fact that you invented a time for one stage should warrent you to prove yourself enough, and not just "don't care".
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 09:11:25 am
He said he "don't care" about what people say about his times, not that he "don't care" about his submitted times that everyone claims to be false.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 10:24:03 am
F-Man is right. How can you submit a record without having sure of its contents?

With that reaction, he's trying to run away of giving an explanation about his time. An explanation that he doesn't have.
And if your time is put into question, you just can't "don't care" about it.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 10:25:30 am
Okay.  Are my posts invisible to you guys or something?  You completely ignored my above post.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 10:33:19 am
Of course not Groudon.
According to you, he said he "don't care" about what people say about his times, right? He can't do that since two of his times was put into question.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 10:37:44 am
I'm not gonna argue any further.  This caused problems in the past, so I'm gonna stop now.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 10:40:09 am
?
What problems?
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 10:41:04 am
I'd rather not say...
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 10:50:24 am
I understand.

I think that if you agree B. Hatfield it's cool of your part to defend his point, but I think that he should be here too.
If you don't want to argue anymore, no problems. But he need to give an explanation or admit he invented those records.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 11:05:56 am
And if he doesn't show up, he's admitting, because he knows about this discussion.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: B. Hatfield on September 23, 2006, 04:01:37 pm
I don't have an explanation. The only games I use any kind of strategy on is the Advance games and on boss fights on Shadow. I just go through the levels as fast as I can and hope to God that I broke the record. If you believe that much that they're fake, then nothing I can say can change your mind. If you wanna take em down, go ahead, because even though you won't believe it, I still know that I broke those records legitimately, and as long as I know that inside, I could care less what anyone else thinks.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 04:24:47 pm
It seems everyone makes a big deal of records out of nowhere only if the user in question has more than 1 stat submitted before the record.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 04:49:30 pm
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If you believe that much that they're fake, then nothing I can say can change your mind.

An explanation would change. That would prove I'm wrong and that you actually did those records. But you don't have an explanation.

Let's put things together: you said you don't have an explanation for that time. That means you made a pretty straight run with no tricks or glitches included, because if you had used them you would remember, right?
You CAN'T get 19'97'' in QQ1 playing that way. That's why you don't have an explanation.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: B. Hatfield on September 23, 2006, 06:05:06 pm
i couldnt remember the last digit. i just knew it was in the 6, 7, and 8 area. i just kinda guessed on that last digit, but the rest of the time is accurate.

Um, hello? Do you even read my posts? All I could remember is it was 19.9something. Its like what F-Man (I think thats who it was) said. Who really cares about that last digit?

Well, aside from you, at least.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Bilan on September 23, 2006, 06:21:08 pm
Who really cares about that last digit?

Most of us.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Thorn on September 23, 2006, 06:21:48 pm
If you can't remember a certain digit, the courteous thing to do is make it a nine.  And if it's Sonic CD, doesn't Time Attack mode track it anyway?

...you were using Time Attack, right?
Quote from: RULES
In games that have a Time Attack game mode that allows you to choose a level, this mode should be used instead of any other when playing for time.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 23, 2006, 06:34:01 pm
Hmm... I'm starting to get skeptical about his records, too.  His Lethal Highway (Dark) record on Shadow, he told me in a PM he used Chaos Control, which I have yet to figure out how it could save time there.  I was defending him before, but now I'm starting to lean toward the majority.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 23, 2006, 06:45:38 pm
Thorn came up with a good point that I haven't thought. How can you not have sure about your time? The Time Attack saves your time in a top 3 when you finish a level.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: X-5 on September 26, 2006, 12:39:20 pm
this is why if you forget your exact time it's best to not submit it and try again, because they seem to have a system that tells whether it's impossible to get that time or not. And it's generally not possible to get a record without some sort of strategy, which you fail to explain  so people get suspicous(sp?)



Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: PsyBorg on September 26, 2006, 05:18:24 pm
Either BHatfield21 is a bullshitter or a dumbhead. Forgetting the obvious + the rules, making explanations that are a "I'm dumb, and I don't give a damn what you think" plea, and, best of all, coming out of nowhere with this stuff, gives me the idea that he is one of what I said in the first sentence. I can already tell that he's a suspicious character and not someone to play nice to.


BHatfield, you have 3 options.

1. Plead guilty. (May not be possible without below option, depending on circumstances.)
2. Do the above, but leave after being shot by the admins.
3. Reveal your strategies and see what your "luck" brings you.


Do one of these. Now.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Spinballwizard on September 27, 2006, 01:11:39 pm
This is why I keep a times notebook. So I don't have to rely on memory when I go from console to computer to submit.

/me flee
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: magnum12 on September 27, 2006, 02:16:20 pm
I keep my submissions on a piece of paper before recording them. I agree with Psyborg that something's not right.
*Places hand on ground, summoning an army of winged penguin like creatures called Prinnies. They pull twin swords out of the pouch wrapped around their stomachs.*
-Prinnies: Ready dood.
-Now then, please tell the truth before one of them gets tossed (prinnies explode when tossed).
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Groudon on September 27, 2006, 02:36:08 pm
This is why I keep a times notebook. So I don't have to rely on memory when I go from console to computer to submit.

Until I got a laptop, I had to do that to remember a couple Shadow stats (the 2 final levels) and for all Rings and Scores divisions for 2-D Sonic games (and Times for Sonic 1, 2, 3, and S&K) when I wasn't on.  Now, since I have a laptop and am on it if I'm not doing something else, once I get a stat, I submit it right away (this was the exception for The Biolizard in SA2B, since I got it when submissions were down, so I wrote it down).
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 27, 2006, 03:38:55 pm
I asked him to PM me but he didn't answer yet, and probably never will.

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Either BHatfield21 is a bullshitter or a dumbhead

If I had any doubt about which one would be, I don't have it anymore.
He thought he could put any time that comes to his head, thinking that nobody would ask how he did the times or find that he invented them. Wrong.
He didn't make that "unintentionally". He's a bullshitter and a careless person, and his actions prove it.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: yse on September 28, 2006, 01:59:26 am
This is why I keep a times notebook. So I don't have to rely on memory when I go from console to computer to submit.

/me flee

My times book was, of course, TSC-famous. And by that I mean it appeared in TSCA. Which everybody played.

I haven't used it for a while though, starting when it became apparent the times in there were a year out of date. And didn't have space for ring divisions.
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: maggot on September 30, 2006, 11:14:43 pm
I sent another PM to him four days ago and again he didn't answer or show up.
Can somebody please do something with this guy?
Title: Re: BHatfield21...
Post by: Rolken on October 09, 2006, 12:19:30 am
Suspended until/unless someone hears from him :X