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Sonic Central => Leaderboard Disputes => Topic started by: maggot on July 20, 2006, 01:19:42 am
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Those scores:
Ybbun's marble 1 - 74300
Sonichero's marble 2 - 238830
I'm not acusing anyone, but I really would like to know if they're possible or not and how they did those scores, if possible.
Can anyone help?
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anyone?
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I've an inkling of how the Marble 2 one is done - you know the bit where you have to break the blocks to get down? If you time it right you can land on another badnik underneath and keep the combo going. I've never managed to get much further with it though.
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There's nothing else to continue it with after that. I reckon that could yield something in the order of 95k, but not much more.
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps he's hitting enemies from the higher area and somehow reaching the blocks at the bottom before hitting the ground and losing your combo. That should be fun to attempt.
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it's a tough one to try.
And that still leaves us with marble 1. I can't imagine any strat to get near this score, this is definetly not the best level for high combos...
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I just randomly come on the forum for the first time in ages...
I probably made an honest mistake. It's definitely weird having a score so much higher. It was about 2 years ago so I don't remember doing it. Maybe I carried on from the previous level by mistake (GH3 I got 47500) so my score is actually 74300-47500=26800? which fits in with the other times better.
I also seem to have 2 submissions for the other levels I tried, and only 1 submission for Marble 1:
http://www.soniccenter.org/members/ybbun/sonic_1/scores
I don't know what that means or whether it's significant, but it indicates something is "different" about that score.
I'm an honest player and always tried to make sure my times and scores were accurate, so I'm quite confused about this and after trying the level just now got nowhere near the same score. Please delete it.
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Hey ybbun, welcome back, I remember you :o
Also, it'd be easier to just submit another stat in place of the Score you want removing, just a placeholder of '100' or something until/if you redo the level
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I think this case is solved.
And by the way ybbun, your score on GH3 is truly a masterpiece! It opened my eyes on that level.
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Yep, case solved. This is why the stage select code is recommended in our rules.
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That's right.
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I think this case is solved.
And by the way ybbun, your score on GH3 is truly a masterpiece! It opened my eyes on that level.
So the likely problem is that I accidentally carried on from the previous level? Sorry for the mistake. I've now entered 100 for that level.
As for GH3, I really can't remember doing the scores :S I must have been clever somehow...
I'm going to do some experimentation with Marble 2, where I have a high score:
1 sonichero 238830
2 ybbun 133320
3 maggot 104530
Hopefully that's not also a mistake. I'll see if I can reach that high score again
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I'm trying that too. Yours I think is reachable with some good run, I'm just in doubt about Sonichero's.
I'm not a big fan of marble, but I'll do the possible there.
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I've deleted my Marble 2 score just in case.
I've also achieved 172 rings and a score of 20500 on Scrap Brain 2. Previously 5 people had the top ring count of 169 and the leading scores were 19400 and 19200. I must have done something different but I'm not quite sure what!
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172 is new to me.
Also scrap brain 2's upper part (with the falling floors) is quite strange... Sometimes a few rings doesn't appear when I pass runing...
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Oh, so it wasn't just me?
One of the things I remember from Scrap Brain 2 is the mysterious disappearance (and reappearance!!) of rings and even ring boxes. I think I still have a screenshot of the missing box (which changed places over time, believe it or not).
This being noted, any options? I'm wondering whether to ban ring counts above 169 (as that is the natural max) or to allow it which opens it's own Pandora's Box. Thoughts?
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I'm able to consistently get 172 rings every single time though... what are your methods?
I haven't noticed any disappearance or reappearance of rings / ring boxes apart from 1 time when I think 1 extra ring appeared somewhere which might have given me 173 if I'd managed to complete it. But it seems to me like 172 is the natural maximum because there is a foolproof way to achieve it every time. There are no rings I get more than once.
I've also been doing Marble 1 recently, and yeah, my score of 74300 is definitely wrong :) I've submitted 29530, the limit is around 30300 probably.
It's normal for those red score things at the end to say that they're worth 100 but actually be worth 10 right?
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Mike, that'd work work like SA2:B's "Rings collected from enemies do not count towards your Ring Total" (Or something along those lines), and I fully see where your coming from with that.
EDIT: Nevermind
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If ybbun can get this amount more than once, then we should take a better look at that level....
Can you record this 172-rings run?
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I could record it, but don't want to give away the secret :) I've figured out what I'm doing differently now - the most obvious method gives 169. It's nothing to do with glitches or anything, in fact I think it's rather clever :D
Regarding the disappearing and reappearing rings along the top of the level - if they're missing on the run from left to right they're always there when you run back from right to left again. I was wrong earlier about being able to get 173. In fact what had happened was I'd collected one less and then got it on the way back. I haven't seen any other problems with rings in this level.
I also just got a score of 29830 on Labyrinth 1 when there were 4 people tied for 1st on 29630. It requires a bit of luck with how those burrobots move...
Beating records where so many people are tied for 1st on a particular score / ring count is very cool and rewarding! I'm enjoying this again after years away.
Question regarding Spring Yard - isn't it possible to repeatedly get 10 points for bouncing off those stars? Wouldn't the best score strategy therefore be to do that as much as possible and finish close to 9:59? Perhaps not so for SY1 and 2 since there's the 50000 bonus but what about SY3?
Question about the charts - why do some entries appear twice? Also why do some say "no rankings" when there are rankings?
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This being noted, any options? I'm wondering whether to ban ring counts above 169 (as that is the natural max) or to allow it which opens it's own Pandora's Box. Thoughts?
If you're going to do that, then you may as well ban rings obtained from the (?) capsules in the other sonic games
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Question regarding Spring Yard - isn't it possible to repeatedly get 10 points for bouncing off those stars? Wouldn't the best score strategy therefore be to do that as much as possible and finish close to 9:59? Perhaps not so for SY1 and 2 since there's the 50000 bonus but what about SY3?
Bear in mind they stop yielding after a certain number of hits.
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I would like to know about the double entries too!
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Yep. Upper-part checked. The missing rings appear on the way back all times.
It's a glitch but it doesn't affect the maximum rings you can get.
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This being noted, any options? I'm wondering whether to ban ring counts above 169 (as that is the natural max) or to allow it which opens it's own Pandora's Box. Thoughts?
If you're going to do that, then you may as well ban rings obtained from the (?) capsules in the other sonic games
Yes please, I spend too much time doing Advance 2 ring runs that are spoiled by them >_> Although I don't see the comparison, I knew of this and it's entirely predictable and not abusable either, so as far as I'm concerned it's all good.
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No, you guys are missing the point. I picked up 180 rings on Scrap Brain 2, and that was due to some rings at the top appearing three or four times. I can't pinpoint what it was that caused it though.
Just looking through my FTP files, the screenshot I'm looking for isn't on the site, I'll see if I can upload it again.
EDIT: Screenshot (http://www.soniccenter.org/mike89/sb2wtf.gif) Savestate (http://www.soniccenter.org/mike89/Sonic%20the%20Hedgehog%20(JUE)%20%5B!%5D.gs7) (unfortunately by the time I thought to make a savestate the rings had stopped reappearing, but if you finish off the level it will give a result larger than the maximum.)
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Well, neither of us could get rings to reappear at the top. I can't load the savestate, I don't know why. If you insist it is possible then set 172 as the maximum, because you CAN get that total every single time without getting any rings more than once or using any glitches. It requires a counter-intuitive approach to the level but I don't want to give away the secret unless you tell me how the SB1 screen wrap works ;-)
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Let's make an exchange then
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Or maybe an exchange with mike would be better since you're top of everything in Sonic 1 :p
I think the Spring Yard 3 score should not be used. I was just trying it and it's so annoying having to wait and hit each of the stars 10 times. There are about 30 on the level, some in annoying places, and it makes the whole thing really tedious. SY1 and 2 can be done in under 30 seconds so the gain from hitting the stars is only useful to get the minor competition positions. What do other people think?
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I agree. Bumping all stars would be very unpleasant!
And about the exchange, you decide. I'm here just in case...
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Never mind about the exchange for SB1, I figured it out - just achieved all 307 rings for the level, 10 better than the current record of 297 shared by 3 people. Now to beat the SB3 rings record and I've owned all of Scrap Brain, lol.
With no response from sonichero about his 238000+ on Marble 2 I suggest it should be deleted.
maggot you agreed about SY3 then went and got a new record for it!
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So you figured SB1, more than that in fact... If you want to say SB2 strat even that way I won't be sad :)
Let's just wait a little more for sonichero, and about SY3 I didn't used the stars, just a little more lucky with enemies and rings.
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307 SB1? I'm very impressed - what ten rings do you think everyone missed?
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Good question!
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I guess they're the 10 at the end of the topmost route (5+5)? I don't know what method you would've used to get the rest though, because according to what I do, if you can't get those, there are also some others you can't get. I used the trick seen in JXQ's speedrun of going through walls from the moving ledges, is that what you call a "screen wrap"?
I've got the rings in all the levels now - have equalled the top score for each one and beaten it twice (SB1 and SB2). SL1, SL3, SB1, SB2 and SB3 are the trickiest to work out what to do imo. SL3 was definitely the most hellish level, I was stuck on it for ages.
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I couldn't find a way to use the screen wrap to get those 10 rings.
Still trying...
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Sorry, I used the screen wrap elsewhere in the level and that sentence wasn't connected to the previous one. Wow, I wrote it really badly :S I was just wondering what you meant by screenwrap sorry.
Getting the 10 rings does not involve a screenwrap, whatever it is...
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It is, indeed, using the duck-scroll method in the TAS. I think I used it twice.
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Finally I got it! I used the same way I entered to get out, but it's tricky. Get the maximum impulse on the moving platform, go all the way up and, at the end, jump. If you're lucky, you'll be launched off the tube.
And by the way, I hate SL3... I just can't get all the possible rings!
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Hey, if you'd kept that secret we could have had the record to ourselves for a bit :p
I don't understand how you were getting 297 before, because you need to use the same trick to get the rings in the tube at the start don't you? Or is there a way to get back to the top of that area?
Congrats on your SL1 score by the way - I tried to beat it but kept coming up short. Will try again though. As for the SB1 score, that must have taken ages and be really frustrating - I'm leaving score attacking that level until much later!
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I get every ring on the top parts then come back using the lower parts. After, I use screen wrap to go to the middle parts.
Well, after I discovered this trick I restarted the level and used the strat of my old score. It does'n have anything special, it's just annoying.
In SL1, this is the best score run I can think of (and do!).
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From your description it sounds like I'm doing the same thing in SB1. But what I meant was, to get the rings in the first vertical pipe at the beginning of the level, don't you need to use the same trick you used to get out of the other pipe at the top right? i.e. going up it backwards?
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No. In that first vertical pipe I just run backwards, it's sufficient to get the rings.
Some advice to help me with SL3? This one I'm trying for ages...
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I was thinking about sonichero, maybe he hasn't entered in the forum, and doesn't know about his score's discussion.
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He visits the forum occasionally
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PM him, last time I did so for Sonic Adventure DX shenanigans he responded fairly quickly.
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PM sent.
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maggot, for SL3, the trick is a bit like SB1, i.e. being able to do something that doesn't seem possible. In SB1 it's going backwards up a pipe that it doesn't look like you can, so look for similar stuff in SL3 and see if you can do it somehow. It's really annoying actually.
That might not seem like a helpful clue, but it is completely different to what you're looking for in SB2. On that level, it isn't at all about being able to do something that seems impossible. It's just a bit like a cool logic puzzle. Hope that helps a bit.
Can you give me a hint for Marble 2 please? I can't figure out how to consistently spawn that fly that goes from left to right and allows a big combo. Sometimes it appears and sometimes it doesn't.
Also, do you know how to get control of sonic at the end of the level in order to get the extra scores? I think it has something to do with jumping at a certain moment but I can't figure it out.
Also, what's the plan with getting the SY3 scores discounted - I'm coming to the end of score-attacking all the levels and want to know if I should try this one. maggot agreed that it shouldn't count so who should we talk to?
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^^Just make sure Sonic is off screen and airborne at the moment the signpost stops spinning
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Thanks RPG
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ybbun
What I do in marble 2 is bring the bats inside an entrance near the blocks for a bigger combo with them. Hope it helps.
And thanks for the tips!
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Thanks for the tip. After some experimentation I've decided that I hate that level. Have achieved a token score of 71330 and am going to forget about it.
Question - is it possible to add/change a comment to a previously submitted time/score?
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I think you have to submit a lower stat, then re-submit your regular stat.
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It's a possible way to add or change.
Congratulation on your marble 1! It took me several tries to get that.
Still crazy with SL3....
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I honestly dont know how I got that score in marble 2 but I tried to get that score again but I couldnt even get close, so think it was a typo or something so I deleted it.
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Thanks for the info.
For marble 1 it also took me ages. It's so annoying to get everything perfect! I'd actually figured out that 30330 was the highest possible score (that I could see) a while before you got it.
A lot of your scores are really good: SY1, M3 etc. so congrats.
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No problem Sonichero.
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I'm very proud with my SY1! In marble 3, I'm still trying to use those bats in the final closed part of the level (there are six bats under the higher squared platforms and I can't hit any of them).
The score I don't wanna see anymore is GH3. This one really took me ages to do!
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I'm a bit skeptical of my GH3, given that I was mistaken on two other scores and only spent about half an hour on each level one afternoon - I might have to replace it :S
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It's your decision. But keep in mind that your score is possible, it's just very hard to achieve. Give it some more tries and see if you can get near to it before taking this score out :)
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What I did is get the speed boots, go to the highest part of the level and jump from there on the enemies to get a big impulse after hitting them. The speed boots give you enough mobility in the air to go to lots of enemies before fall. If you're lucky, you can get a really big combo (in a really good run I think you can get more than 50.000 points).
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Yes, I guessed it was exactly that, but I've been busy and haven't played for a while. You must have had a lot of hits in a row - did you manage to get to 10,000 per hit? How many hits do you need before it's 10,000 each time?
Here's a challenge for anyone - Marble 1 with no rings. It can be done, but it's really tough.
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Hit 1: 100
Hit 2: 200
Hit 3: 500
Hits 4-15: 1000
Starting with the 16th hit, they're worth 10000 each.
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That's it.
I think I got 11 or 12 hits in a row in my GH3 score (near the 10.000 but i did'n get it).
And I'll try your challenge :)
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Did it! 1:26 run, lots of tries!
Two especific part were annoying. The beginner and the part right after you came out of the closed part of the level.
How about GH1?? Just terrible!
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Yeah, that's annoying too, as are both routes of Scrap Brain 2, but they're both possible. I once tried to get no rings on all the levels; the only ones I couldn't do were:
Marble 2 (rings when lava is chasing you)
Spring Yard 1 (rings after 2nd springer)
Spring Yard 2 (might be possible if you can get over the star right at the end like you do with the one right at the beginning, but I haven't been able to do this. I think I came up with some weird tricks to do the rest of the level's difficult parts though)
Spring Yard 3 (rings with the spike balls early on)
Labyrinth 2 (10 ring box hiding important switch)
Star Light 2 (two unskippable loops at start)
Scrap Brain 1 (all routes have tunnels with rings you must get)
Some of the other levels are interesting challenges though. Star Light 1 for instance is easy but takes forever.
Thanks for the score info, SadisticMystic. At some point I'll get round to doing a GH3 score and submit it as a replacement for the current error. Then I'll finally have a full set of accurate scores.
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Good luck with GH3, you'll need it.
Another challenge: the fastest time with all rings of the level. I'll do this sometime!
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I'm just sad you have given up your old record, I'm sure it has no mistakes considering your gameplay...
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Well it might be possible but I certainly didn't achieve it! In the end I just ran through the level collecting everything, rather than trying to do the trick for that level. It was you who discovered the trick first and you're the only person who's pulled it off so congratulations!
I now only hold 1 rings and 2 score records outright so I'll have to keep the secrets to those, hope you understand hehe
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Thanks a lot man and yeah, I understand you quite well! Your SB2 is madness!
Hope to see you more on the site! More records to come!
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I found another strange submission.
Jamixesa's time in marble 3 is an isolated record. His 1:19 is hard to achieve and it is his only submission in sonic 1...
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A little odd but not totally unreasonable: I had only one submission, which was an impressive record (Rush: Leaf Storm 1 Sonic) for quite a while before I submitted anything else.
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I see your point Crowbar. I don't know, it's just strange to me. And he didn't submitted anything in two years besides this time.
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Perhaps you should PM Jamixesa?
The trick with the invincibility at the end of SB2 is really weird - it's bizarre what you have to do to get the combo!
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How can I PM him? I never saw a message of him, and I always used the icon within the message to send a PM.
This SB2 trick took me time to figure out! I have to test this type of trick in other levels.
EDIT: Yes, your score is perfect!
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PM sent. Let's just wait now, hope he answer somehow.
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Good sleuthing. How did you manage to PM him in the end?
I also used the SB2 invincibility trick near the beginning of SL3. SL3 has FIVE invincibility boxes, and I get them all in the score run - but only one place to use the trick I think! It might be useful on other levels I agree, but some levels where it would be useful (like L1) don't have invincibilities.
By the way... Scrap Brain 3 has just been owned :D
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Crowbar explained me how to send the PM.
Man! You're forcing me to get that 19! The time has come!
And that score in SL1 is evil!
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Nicely done with SL2, now we both have an evil score, haha.
I'm completely baffled by SB1 - I'm either 1000 or 900 behind you depending on whether that annoying caterpillar appears along the bottom of the level. Well done on a great score on that level.
Do you know how to bounce on top of the star at the beginning of SY2?
Good luck with 19 on SB3; everything had to be perfect, which was hard with the jumps at the end. You just need to keep trying and you'll get there.
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Thanks!
What I do in SY2 is turn into ball in the middle of the corridor after catch the spring. With luck you'll go up when you hit the star. Not a consistent strat on this though...
And I will keep trying SB3 now!
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I've tried turning into a ball and pressing all sorts of button combinations before and during hitting the star and I achieve it about 1 in 50 - REALLY annoying.
It seems that if you turn into a ball at a specific place about half-way along you will hit the star and fall downwards if you don't press anything, so this seems to be the key. I think it's a combination of pressing jump and then up in the split-second before hitting the star but can't do it at 20% speed most of the time, it seems really random. Argh! I'm fed up of this for today
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Talk about it... this is a level that I don't want to play for a long time.
I'll send you if I found anything there.
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No answer from jamixesa so far....
No new strat on SY2....
But...
I DID IT!! The insane sequenced-jumps time in SB3 is finally done!!!
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Well done on SB3 :) As soon as I get a record outright, you tie or beat it hehe.
I asked the person who did the tool assisted sonic run for what he did at the start of SY2, he said he didn't have a particular strategy; he just copied someone else's work in progress. Did you spend ages trying to get onto the star over and over again? The star makes it so that it's just like doing any other level, but you can only try it every 2 minutes, ha.
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Nice job to both of you on SB3 0:19! it's gotta be so perfect of a run.. I tried for it a few hours after I got 0:20 but never manged it, probably only got 20.5 at best.
Now I have no S1 records left :( (1:13 Fzone doesn't count) maybe I should start playing again, I got really close to 0:25 SL1, I had 2 runs atleast where it was 26.0 on the spot. 24 Could happen if someone could nail that huge jump after the first red spring, but i've never done it.
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Thanks Paragon!
I've never done that jump in SL1 too.... and would be great to have another active player!
Too bad to hear about SY2. I know what you're feeling, this move is VERY annoying. At least it is at the level's start...
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Well I started up S1 for the first time in a few months tonight, but I doubt i'll be of much competition since I suck at 2D sonic games, but who knows what could happen with some practice.
After playing for an hour to get used to the game again I think i'll go for SB3 19 and GH1 24 first, since they're bearable to play unlike some levels, and it would be great to have 2 levels maxed out and never have to TA them again.
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Good luck with those ones. The GH1 is quite a challenge.
I think the SLs are the best for a comeback. Except the SL3, they're easy and cool to try!
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Those are very hard levels to do. In fact, getting the top time on any of the S1 levels apart from Final Zone is difficult (I've only managed SB3!) I think you'd be better off going for rings where you have several choices to be perfect, or scores (try Labyrinth 2 - 28130).
I won't be playing for a few days, am going away.
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When Jamiexa registered (that's probably like sometime when this website was first created), he entered some stats (some of which are still easily considered BS) and then left. Just saying that whatever stat he's entered that you were talking about, there's a good chance it's fake, but not so that he'll ever reply to PMs.
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I don't think he'll PM me back or send a message to this topic too... What we can do about it?
By the way, I am really not convinced about Tails X's score in GH3.
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Good. I was only waiting for this move to happen. He changed his score cause he noticed his foolishness in put 20 points in a boss level. And his explanation for this action make it even easier to see that it's BS.
And it's definitely not a typo.
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I'll PM him for an explanation since he didn't appear here.