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The Lounge => Wikkity! => Topic started by: Rolken on April 28, 2004, 01:59:55 pm

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Rolken on April 28, 2004, 01:59:55 pm

Games that suck
Sonic Labyrinth
Sonic Eraser
Sonic Schoolhouse

Games that don't suck
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Sonic Advance 3

Sites that suck
Sonic Classic
Area51
Sonic HQ
SonicAnime.net
Secrets of Sonic Team
TSSZ

Sites that don't suck
Sonic CulT
Sonic Stadium
Green Hill Zone
teamARTAIL
GameFAQs (minus the boards)

Characters that suck
Big
Amy
Any character that only exists in TV show or similar junk, and is not playable in a game

Characters that don't suck
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles

People that suck
prcorby
xebra
brian236346
Yuji Naka

further bulletins as events warrant

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: SadisticMystic on April 28, 2004, 03:11:40 pm

Characters that suck
Big
Amy
Any character that only exists in TV show or similar junk, and is not playable in a game

Characters that don't suck
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles (some of you may insist that a pre-1999 qualifier be placed on this one)

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: The T on April 28, 2004, 05:26:09 pm

I say that post-Sonic Adventure Tails sucks.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: General Throatstomper on April 28, 2004, 08:22:53 pm

Some Sega Genesis Games that suck
Puyo Puyo
Paper Boy
Colums
Pacman (Genesis version)
Castlevania
Chester Cheetah
Garfield Caught in the Act
Anamaniacs
Tiny Toons adventure
Crash Dummies (You couldn't freakin' attack the enemies!)
Earthworm Jim
Mortal Combat
Some Classic Sega Games That don't suck
Sonic the Hedgehog games (except Mean Bean and Spinball, which were ok)
Frogger (genesis version)
Echo the Dolphin
Bubsy
Bubsy 2
Chameleon Kid (1 of the best games ever, almost as good as Sonic . Why do I like it? Play it, you'll see.....)
Dynamite Headdy
Worst game ever that I've played
*Drumroll*  Super Monkey Ball Jr.
Note: all games listed are games I have rented/played/owned, not games I picked out of random.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Jeffery Mewtamer on April 30, 2004, 06:56:19 am

Things that Rock:
Bittorrent Trackers
Romsites
Emulators
P2P Networks
Warez
Music Downloads
Open Source Software

Things that suck:
Copyrights
No Warez rules
No roms rules
No Links rules

Things that are Pure Evil
Micro$oft
RIAA
Any recording company that supports RIAA

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Andromeda on May 05, 2004, 12:52:33 am

People That Suck:

Hero Chaos Chao

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on May 07, 2004, 12:37:29 am

I'll second that. (You could also have headed that "Known Cheaters", but that'll do.)

With that, I'd like to post my own additions:

People that suck:
Green Hill/Hero Chaos Chao/Mr Buu/Mr Poo/Mark Blackwell
prcorby
sonic1001
zac-a-maniac
formarfan
segamaster (hey, he might not be a cheater, but that doesn't stop him from sucking)
sonicmaster03 (need I say more? :o)

People that don't suck:
Rolken
SM
Cybrax
F-Man
SS101
NintenDan
RPGnutter
SprintGod
CosmicFalcon
and any other Power Users I missed (is that it?)

Characters that suck:
All of Team Rose
G-emerl (or whatever he's called, cheap imitation of Metal Sonic <_<)

Characters that don't suck:
Sonic, Tails, Knuckles
Dr. Robotnik (not this Eggman crap >_>)
Team Chaotix
Metal Sonic

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Taco on May 09, 2004, 12:13:29 am

heh

you hate your brother?

Even though hes your brother, and even though he might be a hellraiser (I dont know, I dont live with you guys...or do I???no, wait, I dont) thats doesnt mean you should hate him

insert corny love moral here:_______________________

and I'm off

*runs into the woods to play with de elves!*

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on May 09, 2004, 03:38:40 am

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heh

you hate your brother?

Even though hes your brother, and even though he might be a hellraiser (I dont know, I dont live with you guys...or do I???no, wait, I dont) thats doesnt mean you should hate him
 

No, I only put him under the "People that suck" column. There's a big difference...

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Taco on May 10, 2004, 12:25:03 pm

I've been pwnd...

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on May 12, 2004, 06:56:04 am

I just KNEW I'd forget something... Surely it's not too late?

NintenDan = PWNED!

:D

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: SuperSonic101 on May 12, 2004, 06:06:05 pm

Characters who suck:

Big
Cream
Vector
Charmy
Amy
Rouge
E-100 series robots
Eggman
Chao
Froggy

Characters who don't suck:
Chaos 0
Sonic
Knuckles
Espio

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: zac-a-maniac on May 21, 2004, 01:49:39 am

vectoris the best dont knock vector hes the best

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: zac-a-maniac on May 21, 2004, 04:04:06 am

and it is Dr eggman not eggman rrrrrrrrrr

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Sonux on May 21, 2004, 06:58:16 pm

But his theme says "I am the Eggman". Even though that is an "annoying" nickname given to Dr. (Ivo) Robotnik by Sonic.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on May 22, 2004, 07:02:09 am

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and it is Dr eggman not eggman rrrrrrrrrr

You meant Robotnik, didn't you?

PWN'D!!!

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: General Throatstomper on May 22, 2004, 11:54:11 am

People Who Need Grammar and Spelling Lessons (Although that doesn't state much)
Zac-a-maniac
Xzar the Hedgehog
Prcrboy
Neolas (No offense Cybrax)
Hero Chaos Chao/Green Hill/Mr. Buu/Mr.poo
 

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on May 22, 2004, 07:08:46 pm

^ Ghost speaks Chinese, a straight translation will never have correct grammar, because Chinese sentence structure is different to English.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: General Throatstomper on May 22, 2004, 07:29:33 pm

Oh, I didn't realize that Chinese sentence structure was different from English Sentence structure. *edits list*

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Ghost on May 23, 2004, 04:58:11 am

yes my english is bad but already much better than before!

^
no mistakes?

chinese and english "sentence structure" is not very different:

shei.....shi.....ni........ba
who.....is......your.....father

wo.....xi huan.....chi........yang rou
i........like...........to eat....lamb

all the same

but english "preposition" is very powerful and hard for me
and english "conjugation" is very hard, chinese has none!

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Ghost on May 23, 2004, 05:00:01 am

also chinese has no "the"
this is true
"the" is very hard
when to use "the"?!?!?~!? who can know?~!?!?~!

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Sonux on May 23, 2004, 10:36:27 am

Most laguages are different in sentence structure compared to English. Though I would only really know about Spanish...

So, for the good of Ghost's education in the English language, all others please speak proper English, or at least get close enough to be "decent".

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on May 24, 2004, 05:02:26 am

Sorry Ghost, I guess I made the very obvious mistake that Chinese and Japanese sentence structures are the same. My bad...

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: formarfan on July 02, 2004, 12:54:59 pm

SuperSonic101 Posted: May 12 2004, 10:06:05 PM  

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Characters who suck:
Vector
Charmy
Rouge
Chao

Uh... no.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: formarfan on July 02, 2004, 09:06:40 pm

People that suck:
eevilnew
prcorby89
zac-a-maniac
sonic1001

People that rock:
SuperSonic101
Rolken
SadisticMystic
Turbos
Cloud_Graywords
  ^_^  :D

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on July 13, 2004, 05:07:03 am

*draws attention to recently edited post on the first page*

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Sonichero on July 13, 2004, 11:47:54 am

sonic Games that suck (in order)
Sonic blast
Sonic 3d flickies island
Sonic spinball

Sonic games that rock (in order)
sonic advance 3
Sonic battle
Sonic heroes
Sonic adventure dx

People that suck
No one (I like you all) :D

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Bilan on July 13, 2004, 11:57:36 am

WOW! I'm in Mike's 'people that dont suck' column....I'm honoured.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: General Throatstomper on July 13, 2004, 12:05:52 pm

Hm, you forgot Sonic Labyrinth, which is so disgraceful it shouldn't even be called a Sonic Game. Anyway....
Foods that suck
Caviar (spelled it wrong probably)
Fish
Sushi (falls under fish category, but is worthy of sucking on its own)
Whole Cat (On Jay Leno they showed a lunch menu with Cat on it. Ewwwww)
Chicken Gizzards
Chicken Livers
Ants
Es Cargo
Duck
Pineapple
Kiwi
Eggplant

Foods that suck but is against popular opinion
Cheese
Beef
Tacos
Jelly/Jam
Pork
Bacon
Hamburgers

Foods that are good
Hot Sauce
Hot peppers
Chicken
General Tso's Chicken
Pad Thai
Sesame Noodles
Peanut Salad
Subway Sandwhiches
Salads
Bannanas
Raspberries
Strawberries
Blueberries
Orange
Other stuff I don't feel like listing

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on July 14, 2004, 05:06:08 am

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WOW! I'm in Mike's 'people that dont suck' column....I'm honoured.

Yeah, but you'll get dragged off there if you don't show up on AIM soon...

Actually, the reason I drew attention to it was to get formarfan's attention. Shouldn't take long to see why...

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Bilan on July 14, 2004, 05:34:34 am

I cant get on AIM anytime this week, I'm at work till Friday (work experience).

EDIT: And I REFUSE to get up any earlier than 1PM (Time over here) on Saturday morning, I need a nice long lie in =P

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: formarfan on July 21, 2004, 11:52:48 pm

mike89 Posted on Jul 14 2004, 09:06:08 AM
 

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QUOTE (RPGnutter @ Jul 14 2004, 01:57:36 AM)
WOW! I'm in Mike's 'people that dont suck' column....I'm honoured. 


Yeah, but you'll get dragged off there if you don't show up on AIM soon...

Actually, the reason I drew attention to it was to get formarfan's attention. Shouldn't take long to see why... 

... That makes no sense at all as people that I know in REAL life (not across site), almost NONE of them think I suck.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: General Throatstomper on July 22, 2004, 12:58:07 pm

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mike89 Posted on Jul 14 2004, 09:06:08 AM
 

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QUOTE (RPGnutter @ Jul 14 2004, 01:57:36 AM)
WOW! I'm in Mike's 'people that dont suck' column....I'm honoured. 


Yeah, but you'll get dragged off there if you don't show up on AIM soon...

Actually, the reason I drew attention to it was to get formarfan's attention. Shouldn't take long to see why... 

... That makes no sense at all as people that I know in REAL life (not across site), almost NONE of them think I suck.

Well, you see, maybe in real life you don't suck, but online, you do. Posting idiotic things that have nothing to do with a topic is pointless. And if you're online vocabulary consists of internet slang mixed with bad spelling, and almost everything ending with a question mark, then you suck at online interaction. On topic:
States Bush Can't Spell
Massachussets
Rhode Island
Arkansas
Mississippi
California
Conneticut
Missouri
Hawaii
Any state over 2 syllables

States Bush Can Spell
New York
Texas
Any state 2 sylables or less

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on July 26, 2004, 03:55:42 am

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Quote

mike89 Posted on Jul 14 2004, 09:06:08 AM
 

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QUOTE (RPGnutter @ Jul 14 2004, 01:57:36 AM)
WOW! I'm in Mike's 'people that dont suck' column....I'm honoured. 


Yeah, but you'll get dragged off there if you don't show up on AIM soon...

Actually, the reason I drew attention to it was to get formarfan's attention. Shouldn't take long to see why... 

... That makes no sense at all as people that I know in REAL life (not across site), almost NONE of them think I suck.

Well, you see, maybe in real life you don't suck, but online, you do. Posting idiotic things that have nothing to do with a topic is pointless. And if you're online vocabulary consists of internet slang mixed with bad spelling, and almost everything ending with a question mark, then you suck at online interaction.

Amen, brother.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: MerlockMagus on August 09, 2004, 06:35:38 pm

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blueblaze Posted Jul 22 2004, 11:58 AM
  QUOTE(formarfan @ Jul 21 2004, 11:52:48 PM)
mike89 Posted on Jul 14 2004, 09:06:08 AM
 
QUOTE
QUOTE (RPGnutter @ Jul 14 2004, 01:57:36 AM)
WOW! I'm in Mike's 'people that dont suck' column....I'm honoured. 


Yeah, but you'll get dragged off there if you don't show up on AIM soon...

Actually, the reason I drew attention to it was to get formarfan's attention. Shouldn't take long to see why... 


... That makes no sense at all as people that I know in REAL life (not across site), almost NONE of them think I suck.

Well, you see, maybe in real life you don't suck, but online, you do. Posting idiotic things that have nothing to do with a topic is pointless. And if you're online vocabulary consists of internet slang mixed with bad spelling, and almost everything ending with a question mark, then you suck at online interaction. On topic:
States Bush Can't Spell
Massachussets
Rhode Island
Arkansas
Mississippi
California
Conneticut
Missouri
Hawaii
Any state over 2 syllables

States Bush Can Spell
New York
Texas
Any state 2 sylables or less

You spelled Massachussetts wrong too.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Rolken on August 09, 2004, 08:46:36 pm

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You spelled Massachussetts wrong too.

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You spelled Massachusetts wrong too.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Bilan on August 10, 2004, 06:41:18 pm

Game Series that Pwn (IMO, of course =P)

Sonic
Shining Force
Panzer Dragoon

Game Series that suck (see above bracket)

Zelda
Mario
Crash Bandicoot
(I'd put Final Fantasy, but I like FFT:A, FFX and FFX-2 >_<, so most of FF goes in here >_>)

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Taco on August 10, 2004, 07:34:18 pm

:o

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Game Series that suck (see above bracket)

Zelda
Mario
Crash Bandicoot
(I'd put Final Fantasy, but I like FFT:A, FFX and FFX-2 >_<, so most of FF goes in here >_>)

ZELDA SERIES PWNS JOO!

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Bilan on August 11, 2004, 04:24:15 am

^^I hate Zelda, it sucks IMO, I played OoT and MM and just hated them both. Stupidly awkward combat, terrible storylines and far too slow gameplay. You want a decent action RPG type game, try these:
(Which many of you won't have access to)

Any game in the Shining Force series (Mega Drive and Saturn)
Dark Saviour (Saturn)
Panzer Dragoon Saga (Saturn)
Dragon Force (Saturn)

And there are plenty more I cant think of off the top of my head. =P

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on September 02, 2004, 06:51:18 am

After the release of Sonic Advance 3, Sega and Sonic Team no longer suck.

Remove Yuji Naka from the sucky people list!

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: General Throatstomper on September 02, 2004, 06:17:40 pm

hm......Zelda is ok, not the best game in the world, though. Anyway, 2 new lists:
Grossly Underated Video Games
Gauntlet Dark Legacy
Bubsy
Bomberman (pre advance series, Game Boy game pwns joo)
Jet Force Gemini
SADV2
Megaman series
Grossly Overated Video Games
Post Gameboy Mario series
Final Fantasy
Zelda (Good, but not as good as people say)

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Shadow Wedge on September 04, 2004, 11:51:15 pm

Megaman is underrated? It seems pretty highly rated to me...

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Rolken on September 05, 2004, 05:01:12 pm

And Sadva2 you only have on there cause you're a Sonic fan... it wasn't that fantastic as a general platformer.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: sonicmaster03 on September 12, 2004, 11:57:22 pm

people that suck
blueblaze and anyone who hates segagam/segamaster and me.

people that rock
everyone els

best sonic games
sonic 1,2,3
sonic adventure 1,2
gamegear sonic games

ok sonic games
dr eggmans meanbean machien
the toys from md
sonic pinball
sonic 3d blast
sonic shuffle

sonic games that suck
sonic heroes (the story and stages make no since)
example you go from a hunted house to eggmans ships whats up with tha?

best sonic flash movie
sonic uncut 1,2

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Bilan on September 13, 2004, 11:20:52 am

^^A bit blunt isn't it? Just 'cause someone hates you doesn't mean they suck, say 1 of the members in your favourite band came up to you and told you they hated you (Not gonna happen but it serves an an example), you still wouldn't think they sucked...unless of course your retarded.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: General Throatstomper on September 14, 2004, 07:37:11 am

So suddenly Segamaster, and Sonicmaster are the centers of the universe, and we can accurately gauge the contents of someones inner soul based on their feelings towards them? Sorry, but......no.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: qubit on November 05, 2004, 10:04:48 pm

Sonic Characters that Suck
pre-Adventure Eggman (the "ohohohohoho" one)
Big the Cat
That girlfriend that Sonic has on TV
Eggman on TV and all of his stupid robots

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on November 10, 2004, 05:12:25 am

Hey, they've been airing Sonic X over here recently, and I've noticed that it's not all that bad. Sure, it's corny, but if you think the games aren't, play Sonic Heroes' story again. =P

Time to update the lists again...

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Shadow Jacky on November 15, 2005, 08:41:20 pm

these lists are legit?

nothing but bias is all I see

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: sonicam on November 15, 2005, 09:13:18 pm

Of course it's biased, it's all opinion. D:

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: yse on November 16, 2005, 12:46:50 am

Pfft, they're completely legit. Everyone knows that. :o

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Rolken on November 16, 2005, 01:53:51 am

What I think you fail to realize is that it's everyone else who's biased.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Shadow Jacky on November 16, 2005, 12:50:38 pm

could these lists be super long?  otherwise I cant make shot lists.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: sonicam on November 16, 2005, 04:11:11 pm

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What I think you fail to realize is that it's everyone else who's biased.

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Or EVERYone is biased, no matter what since everyone has an opinion. D: The only thing in this world that isn't biased are computers. D:

Also, what SJ?

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Bilan on November 16, 2005, 04:44:23 pm

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What I think you fail to realize is that it's everyone else who's biased.

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Or EVERYone is biased, no matter what since everyone has an opinion. D: The only thing in this world that isn't biased are computers. D:

Also, what SJ?

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Computers are biased, even the DS is biased :(, ever played Combat Mode on Brutal difficulty on Advance Wars:DS? The CPU KNOWS where your goint to move and shoots there in preperation for it to hit you :(

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: sonicam on November 16, 2005, 04:47:15 pm

That's not really biased, it's cheating, but not really biased. It's arguable.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Shadow Jacky on November 17, 2005, 09:09:15 pm

ok I like these boards better than the SMB elite site...man are they dead, well its not their fault entirely because they only have a couple of Monkey Ball gems to run off of and you can only do that for so long.

Favorite Sonic Games

Sonic The Hedgehog
Sonic The Hedgehog 2
Sonic The Hedgehog 3
Sonic and Knuckles
Sonic 3&Knuckles
Knuckles in Sonic 2
Sonic 3-D Blast (screw you if you hate this game, I want the Saturn version badly!)
Sonic 1 (GG)
Sonic 2 (GG)
Tails Adventure
Sonic Triple Trouble
Sonic Adventure: DX
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
Sonic CD

Most Hated Sonic Games

Sonic Labyrinth
Sonic Heroes
Sonic Spinball (GG) (the Genesis version is wayyyyyyyyyyyy better)
Sonic Blast (looks like shit)


*adds more stuff later*

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: FireLaserBeam on February 05, 2006, 10:20:00 pm

Sonic Games that PWN:
Sonic the Hedgehog 1
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog CD
Sonic 3 & Knuckles

Sonic Games that are great:
Sonic Advanture 2: Battle
Sonic Rush
Sonic 3-D Blast(Saturn version)
Sonic Adventure 1/DX

Sonic games that are good:
Sonic Advanture 2: Battle
Sonic 1(GG)
Sonic 2(GG)
Sonic Chaos/& Tails
Sonic Triple Trouble/& Tails 2
Sonic the Fighters
Sonic R
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 3

Sonic Games that were so-so:
Sonic Advance 2
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic Heroes
Sonic Spinball
Sonic 3-D Blast(Genesis version)
Sonic Blast
Sonic R
Sonic Drift 2

Sonic Games that suck:
Sonic Labyrinth
Sonic Spinball(GG)
Sonic Drift
Sonic School House

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Rolken on February 05, 2006, 10:56:29 pm

You have the best taste in Sonic games I have ever seen. Well, except for my own, of course. ;D

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: booo95 on February 06, 2006, 07:57:11 pm

My favorite sonic games:

sonic adventure 2 battle
sonic gems collection
sonic mega collection
shadow the hedgehog
sonic battle

My most hated sonic games:

sonic advance
tail's sky patrol
sonic 2gg
sonic1gg
sonic spinball genisis and gg
sonic shuffle

Easiest sonic games:

sonic adventure 2 battle
sonic the fighters
sonic r
sonic gems collection (museum mode)
shadow the hedgehog

Hardest sonic games:

Any genises sonic game
sonic advance 2
sonic adventure for dreamcast
sonic shuffle
sonic 1gg
sonic 2gg
tail's sky patrol
tail's adventure

Those are my lists.

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: Bilan on February 07, 2006, 12:56:13 pm

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Hardest sonic games:

Any genises sonic game
sonic advance 2
sonic adventure for dreamcast

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All of the Genesis games are easy :(

Advance 2 is a cakewalk :(

And what difference does it make, SA and SA:DX are the same game, save for some very minor differences (Aside from the rewards system), so technically what you are trying to say is that you find Sonic Adventure 1/DX hard :(

...SA2:B was far harder than DX.

<_<

Title: OFFICIAL TSC LISTS
Post by: booo95 on February 12, 2006, 02:02:43 pm

No I mean the dreamcast wersion alone cause it didn't have the map so I never knew where the 2nd statue was when getting into lost world as knuckles.