The Sonic Center
The Lounge => Gaming and Grazing => Topic started by: Spinballwizard on May 05, 2009, 03:07:30 am
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SIGN-UPS ARE CLOSED BECAUSE I'M FINALLY ONLINE FOR A DECENT PERIOD OF TIME
GAME STATUS: DAY ONE | 3 MAFIA REMAIN
Current Players:
1. flyby
2. mike89/yse (Mason)
3. Chao_Fan
4. 1stkirbyever (???)
5. PPA
6. SonicAD
7. douglas
8. genus/General Throatstomper
9. Paraxade
10. Waxwings/Achlys
11. Stefan
12. Bertin
13. ieatatsonic
Gauging interest before I cap stuff, but I think I'll peak at 10. I might use an Epic setup if you're lucky. I'm considering not telling you the setup, too. Just to mess with your heads.
So yeah. I'll declare whether or not it is day or night. Usually when everyone's sent their votes, but if it takes too long I'll move things forward. Mafia can talk to each other outside this topic, but otherwise players are not allowed to talk about the game outside of this topic.
Interested? Post...
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SIGN ME UP!!!!!!!
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I am -so- there. By which I mean here.
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I'll Go for it
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Sure <_<
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I'm in.
PS lynch genus
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Naturally.
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I'm in, and I second the genus lynch.
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Hell, why don't we forget about the game and just lynch genus for fun?
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I'm fine with that.
/me gets a rope.
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I'll join, too. Dibs on fool?
I'm pretty sure that you're just playing into the mafia's hands by lynching be right as we start, though. Without actually figuring out who's guilty, you're gifting a day one pass. I say that we take time to talk before actually hanging anybody. Also, protective roles should save me.
Are we allowing players to claim their roles?
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If genus is still alive after night 1, he's mafia.
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lynch genus! >:D
(I'm in)
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I'm in.
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I wish I could be, but I have a lot of things that need done in RL this week, so sadly, I'm forced to sit out...
(P.S. Lynch Genus)
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I'm in. definitely.
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I'll join.
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I'll join.
Though I'm the (sort of, not counting Aitamen) 12th person to ask.
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Alright, I have 13. I'm stopping sign-ups. I think I will use an Epic setup, or a variant thereof.
Alright. First off, to answer questions and set ground rules.
Your Role
Each player will receive a role. This role will be determined randomly (rather, pseudorandomly, since I'll probably write a brief program to distribute roles. You are able to claim this role publicly, but this is your formal warning that it could potentially be used to your disadvantage. If the Mafia has a hooker on their side, you might want to consider not claiming, lest you be rendered unable to use your role's ability. If you are a Doctor, you probably don't want to claim either, because, well, you can't save yourself. Note that Mafia roles should only claim to each other, not to the town. Role-sharing (telling someone else your role just for the hell of it, whether clear or not) is especially prohibited. See the next heading.
PS: You will not know what roles are in the game unless they are revealed to you.
Messaging
Messaging other players is restricted. This is more to keep the game in check than anything. I mostly want to be in control of how the game plays. If players are randomly messaging each other, I can't do this and therefore I will kick your ass.
Mafia members are allowed to message each other at night only. This is so that they can coordinate their night kill. They are allowed to share their roles with other mafia members. If any other roles are allowed to message, you will be told in your role's description. If you are not allowed to message, you are NOT permitted to.
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Any questions should be asked now. Night 1 will begin at roughly 2AM tonight Eastern Daylight Time. If you are unfamiliar with Mafia at all, you might want to ask now.
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Sending out roles now...
Edit: All roles have been passed out. Let's start!
Well we're in downtown Detroit today, and it is rumored that a potential mafia is forming out of the Greektown Casino. There are currently THREE (3) mafia members alive.
It is currently NIGHT ONE. If you have an action that you do at night, make sure you send it to me (Spinballwizard) ASAP. You can send me your targets through PM on TSC, through PM on IRC (/msg Spinballwizard), through AIM (Spinballwizard), or through MSN (spinballwizard.mtg@gmail.com). Please make sure to get everything to me in a timely manner. Mafia, you know who your partners are so you can PM them.
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So we PM you our nightly actions if we have any?
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Yes, PPA. Read the edit that I just finished.
EDIT: Look for day to start once I'm out of work tomorrow.
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NIGHT ONE IS OVER.
Several gunshots were heard throughout the night. One unfortunate casualty of this, found at Fishbone's by the People Mover station, was mike89, a mason. There was a horrified look on his face, as if finding something he did not expect.
Another unsolved crime, however, exists. More gunshots were heard outside the Fox Theatre, but no body could be found. As you meet at the Detroiter Bar during the day, you find that everyone is there, except 1stkirbyever, who is now considered missing.
LIVING PLAYERS
flyby
Chao_Fan
PPA
SonicAD
Douglas
genus
Paraxade
Waxwings
Stefan
Bertin
ieatatsonic
DEAD PLAYERS
mike89 (Mason)
1stkirbyever (???)
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It is currently DAY ONE. Players who are still alive must discuss who they think are the mafia in this forum only, and each should vote for somebody. Whomever gets the most votes will be killed by a lynchmob. With any luck, you find mafia.
I'll give you at least 24 hours to vote, at most 48. BEGIN.
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Seems we have a janitor and fke was the mafia kill; judging by his "horrified look on his face, as if finding something he did not expect" mike probably mismasoned.
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Well... Do we have a tracker or cop? Perhaps he or she could claim so w- wait, private messages aren't allowed right?
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Mafia are allowed to PM at night. You are allowed to PM only if I told you you could.
Otherwise, no, you can't PM.
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Or it could have been another way of expressing mike's death. We should assume that Mike mismasoned, though. Who would he target for conversion? flyby or Stefan seems likely.
Let's take time to talk before lynching because we don't want to knock off power roles. I want to see messages from everybody so that we can figure out the mafia.
I'm going to browse games on EM for possible setups. Relatively few have 13 players. There's this one (http://www.epicmafia.com/lobby/setup/6959), this one (http://www.epicmafia.com/lobby/setup/4123), this one (http://www.epicmafia.com/lobby/setup/17517), or this one (http://www.epicmafia.com/lobby/setup/5508). However, none of these have masons and janitors, so he made his own game.
I tentatively finger PPA for editing his post after saying we should just lynch flyby or myself, which I view as subtle posturing. But I want to see how this discussion plays out before voting.
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I have my reasons.
Also I take back what I said earlier as I didn't consider a few things and agree we should wait what people have to say.
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(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5092/delayk.jpg)
Your post came at 05:04:24 PM, 12 minutes later. It took you that long to write such a simple response? You needed to craft that message to seem like a villager. I'm more suspicious of you now.
What's up with everyone else, though?
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eh, using Who's Online to try to incriminate people is lame, especially later in the game when you can guess who the last mafian is by looking at who's sending/recieving PMs at night. >_> (happened in another forum mafia game I've been in, though it's entirely possible the same wouldn't apply here) I've no ideas for the lynch yet though.
/me keeps watching
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You know I also do other things and only check this thread once in a while ok
While possibly leaving the tab open in the background. Whatever.
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That's why everything should be done over IRC. We already know PPA has a night action, though, because he specifically asked what he should do to enter orders. Similarly, I'm pretty sure that Stefan and flyby were the only members who weren't on before SBW left before work. But I guess this is going too far in observation, and we should drop it.
However, not responding immediately when you have so little to say is still fair incrimination.
Edit: to combat what Paraxade mentioned earlier, I suggest a buffer from when SBW's received all night actions and his update to the game.
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It's not like this thread is highly active. If I chat or surf elsewhere I don't have to always keep an eye out for new posts to jump on them immediately.
I didn't even see your post until I made mine.
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That's why everything should be done over IRC. We already know PPA has a night action, though, because he specifically asked what he should do to enter orders. Similarly, I'm pretty sure that Stefan and flyby were the only members who weren't on before SBW left before work. But I guess this is going too far in observation, and we should drop it.
However, not responding immediately when you have so little to say is still fair incrimination.
Edit: to combat what Paraxade mentioned earlier, I suggest a buffer from when SBW's received all night actions and his update to the game.
genus occassionally speaks sense :) I think unless PPA has anything compelling to say in his defence he's probably getting my vote. PPA?
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I would have something but it would oust a power role. Or not. It really would help to know what classes are in this game.
Also why are you making such a big fuzz about me not constantly refreshing this thread I mean seriously.
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It seems to me like you two are jumping all over PPA for very little reason. So he has a night role, so what? Lots of people who aren't mafia have night roles (probably the majority of the people in the game). The "not responding immediately" thing seems pretty minor and there are a number of ways to explain that. Also note that there's still 7 people who haven't posted at all yet, we should wait a bit longer before deciding on a lynch.
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I think it's clear mike would not mason me the first night.
Just want to add that.
My personal suspicion lies at the foot of genus, but that's because it always lies at the foot of genus.
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As much as it is true that the accusations of PPA are not very founded...he is responding so guiltily, which I assume is why genus accused him on something ridiculous in the first place, just to see his reaction. His reaction: guilty. Still want to see how other people are responding etc, but at this point, I would back a PPA lynch.
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Before I go further, I would like to ask genus if he experiences a... "change" during the last night.
Actually he probably wouldn't say so if there was one. Err...
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I noticed nothing. You're a cultist or mason and targeted me?
This means either I was shrunk, you were driven, or SBW failed by not reporting conversion.
Stefan, why wouldn't Mike mason you night one? He would likely target a familiar known for functioning well in towns, and that's probably you or flyby. You bristled at the accusation.
Looking at the make of different players, flyby's letting the town run under its own inertia. If the PPA lynch goes bust, I think she's a fair target. Normally flyby gets more involved in these games when she isn't guilty, and I can see her keeping me alive just to fall back on a lynch on me day one. Stefan's coasting as well, which I infer to mean he's either a lax power role keeping his head down or mafia avoiding suspicion. I lean towards the second for his half-hearted attempt to push town on me. Douglas isn't trying to gut me, and I think that's proof enough of his innocence. Paraxade's handling this rationally, which I take to mean he's at intellectual equilibrium; Paraxade's not stiff so far, his classic tell as mafia. In the group of innocents, werster looked at the topic earlier and didn't scream for my lynch.
Among those who haven't posted, there are probably a few mafia who think saying nothing makes them above suspicion. truesonic fits that archetype, and it wouldn't surprise me to find he's guilty.
It would not surprise me at all.
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Douglas isn't trying to gut me, and I think that's proof enough of his innocence.
Doug and genus mafia together confirmed
wait wut
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I'll claim if SBW confirms whether there is a doc in this setup or not
EDIT: Wait I realised that if genus is not converted or anyth- damn it we really need to see what classes are in this game. :(
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he's not going to just because you asked >_>
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Yeah...besides, we know you're something important now. Just tell us what you are, then, so we're not completely in the dark today.
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Ok I messed it up anyway.
I am the watcher and I observed genus and someone visited him. Seeing as he's still alive however I don't want to say who it is as he might be a power role. Or a doc or a mafioso with secondary abilities or a mason or a cultist or a fool or WHATEVER
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'He'. The masculine third person singular. You should have said 'they' because you just ruled flyby out as a potential visiting role.
I believe the claim. This explains his freakout at my accusations.
More people should talk.
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yeah, it makes sense to me. I'd believe it as well, if no one has a counterclaim.
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genus' accusatory screenshot has me listed as posting here.
I NOMINATE MYSELF FOR STEALTH SCUM
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Oh right. I should probably say something so people don't think I'm mafia. Even though I don't have anything to say. Because I never say anything unless I actually have something worthwhile to say. Oh well.
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lol genus, werster is not in this game. ok, PPA lynch off the table, unless we have a CC. douglas flattering genus does not seem like a good reason to assume his innocence <_<.
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Well seeing as someone might have said if genus was guilty after visiting him I'd say we write him off for now (unless that person was doc or something) and just lynch Douglas unless he claims something good.
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well i don't want to jump that quickly to a lynch on douglas <_<
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If we can't lynch genus or flyby we need to lynch douglas ok <_<
But yeah this is overall rather flawed.
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Who says we can't lynch genus? >_> <_<
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As messaging other players is disallowed, I think I'll pass on claiming unless you're actually seriously contemplating lynching me >_>
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How about lynching ieatatsonic or Stefan? So far, everyone else is registering as sort-of-cleared for me.
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S I gotta say something so you know I'm not mafia?
Well, I'm saying something, even though it's nothing, like al my posts.
I'm saying lynching either stef or genus.
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Time's basically up, so unless we get an extension...
Vote: Stefan
ieatatsonic isn't flipping out at my accusation and is credibly incredulous, douglas isn't obnoxious, I'm not sure enough about flyby, PPA's watcher, Paraxade's slow on lynching, and SonicAD's bored.
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i almost like to back stefan lynches more than genus lynches even <_<
Vote: Stefan
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I'm being lynched... because?
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Because. :(
Vote: Stefan
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douglas isn't obnoxious
I CALL BS
Also Vote: PPA. Someone visited genus? Well duh. Not convinced by that I'm afraid. Also harmless rebelling against the bandwagon cos stefan is getting it <_<
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I'll just jump on the bandwagon. >_>
Vote: Stefan
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Well, town's dumb.
Good luck winning, now that the watcher is known and you're lynching another crucial power role.
vote: flyby
simply because she is siding quite eagerly with genus.
as I quote directly:
As much as it is true that the accusations of PPA are not very founded...he is responding so guiltily, which I assume is why genus accused him on something ridiculous in the first place, just to see his reaction. His reaction: guilty. Still want to see how other people are responding etc, but at this point, I would back a PPA lynch.
first suggested by genus on... nothing... flyby even admitted the accusations were based on nothing.
then:
well i don't want to jump that quickly to a lynch on douglas <_<
first suggested by ppa... and she doesn't want to jump on a lynch? She was pretty quick to jump on a PPA lynch off no evidence, and douglas is being just as fishy as PPA was.
i almost like to back stefan lynches more than genus lynches even <_<
Vote: Stefan
Again, a suggestion by genus, only this time he actually votes. And flyby gloriously follows suit. Why is flyby so eager to jump on a PPA or Stefan lynch, but not a douglas lynch? Is it because genus suggested them? Flyby is usually really individualistic, why not this game?
And my final piece of evidence: mike would SO recruit flyby to masonry. Almost everyone would.
so yeah, you guys can go ahead and lynch me, but I'm super susp. of flyby and douglas right now.
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And my final piece of evidence: mike would SO recruit flyby to masonry. Almost everyone would.
Actually yeah, that would be awfully like mike, now you mention it. That and Parax bandwagoning are basically all I've noticed of interest thus far (50/50 on genus, on one hand he's playing like he does when he's town, on the other he has this crazy idea that he can manipulate me so that might be why he's steering you away from me).
I shall unvote: PPA & vote: flyby instead in solidarity stefan, for I agree we are killing the wrong person here :(
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I vote for Stefan too
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A basic point on formatting: for convenience, write unvote:(last target) before changing your vote. It's a courtesy for SBW, who shouldn't have to sift through all these replies to figure out where the votes end.
I'm keeping my vote on Stefan because douglas is paddywagoning as much as flyby. The obvious factions lie at Douglas/Stefan (Douglas cast a vote, but well expected a rebuttal from Stefan. Maybe he's a third party and doesn't care either way? I'm not confident he's mafia by nature of his candor, but there aren't active stances...survivor Douglas? But then why the confrontational stance on PPA? Hm), flyby/Parax (you can add me to this mixing as well, but the lineation is greater when others go along with a vote instead of suggesting anything. Parax isn't outright apathetic, without the stiffness I'd need to form strong convictions on his guilt. flyby's leaning back, which I interpret as a relative disinterest...a lazy fool maybe? I doubt she's pro-town, but there's nothing particularly condemning about the way she's acted so far). I refuse to assume SBW didn't include a killer in this setup, so there's good potential that the masons live. flyby's a good masoning target, and so are Stefan and I. But with the possibility of a driver, mike's whimsy is irrelevant as no initial targeting is guaranteed accurate.
I lynch on behavior, and Stefan's flinching at this lynch. For this, he's most worthy of a vote. We'll see what he turns out to be soon enough and who went on the wrong side of the fence.
For tonight, night roles should play the random game. Possible interceptions, witchings, or driver antics make this sticky. How about the protector maybe, perhaps, gets on PPA? Or doesn't, while we pretend he'll be saved. Whatever we can pull.
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eh, I went with the Stefan lynch by just following genus pretty much, since I don't have any other ideas. I'm not entirely convinced of his guilt though, so unvote Stefan. Personally I'm a bit suspicious of doug/flyby, but like genus said I'm slow to lynch. >_> genus seems like town to me and PPA's claim is credible, so I'll probably be voting for flyby a bit later if nothing else comes up.
(also, most forum mafia games I've played involved a 24-hour limit on days/nights to prevent it from dragging on too long like this seems to be; implementing something similar here might be useful, seeing as how this day has been going for more than three days now.)
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SBW told us we'd have 48 hours max, but we're missing a few sign-ups like Chao_fan, Bertin, and Achlys. Chao_fan hasn't been on since May 8th, but Bertin and Achlys are around. Should we get replacements?
Anyways, I'm sure that whoever we lynch will get us closer to the truth. I think Stefan's gruesome death will bring us there faster, but if the consensus is to lynch flyby...so be it.
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So defending myself as a useful townie is "flinching"? I don't see how you can lynch on behavior when there's several people who haven't even posted yet. I'm outed as a power role now too, and I'm not gonna say which. If I live through the day (which is unlikely as of yet), protective role (or even ppa himself) should randomly pick me or ppa, and hope the mafia takes the wrong bait.
What I find even more dubious is the fact that genus has emerged as a leader, despite the fact that ppa is the un cc-d watcher. Sure, janitor antics might be going on, but certainly PPA is a better person to follow than genus right now?
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I am here, at least.
I'll vote flyby for the moment, but I prefer to lurk such matters as this anyway.
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I don't lead, but others like to follow me.
You'll probably survive the day because momentum is climaxing on a flyby lynch. You're overreacting to what were initially a few light votes on you, now hiding behind the power role bromide. The flyby bandwagon's faster...but she seems foolish to me. I wonder if there's a lyncher with her as a target? Douglas' switch on votes strikes me as heavy-handed.
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The first two votes of the game, by two people who initially emerged as leaders, are votes worth reacting to. I am not overreacting; had I not accused flyby, the momentum would have kept with me and certainly gotten me lynched. My reaction was clearly appropriate for the situation, as it worked.
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The first two votes of the game, by two people who initially emerged as leaders, are votes worth reacting to. I am not overreacting; had I not accused flyby, the momentum would have kept with me and certainly gotten me lynched. My reaction was clearly appropriate for the situation, as it worked.
After flyby and I voted him, this:
I'm being lynched... because?
flyby was never a leader, and that's definitely a touchy reaction. You seem anxious to claim something, which means you probably have a fallback.
Edit: quote tags fixed. And I restate my concern that flyby's the fool. She's been on for a while, and as mafia would know better than to not post anything.
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Yeah, I didn't want things to take too long. I think I'm going to stop voting at 9PM EDT Tuesday night. Anyone who hasn't voted is SOL. I do kinda want to get this game moving.
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Votes for stefan: 3 (flyby, genus, PPA)
Votes for flyby: 3 (douglas, Waxwings, stefan)
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Well I guess I have to step in now. I used "he" earlier on purpose to make sure I don't uncover anything crucial, but flyby was the person I saw visiting genus.
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Yeah, that is how I knew PPA was legit, because I knew he would use the he thing to cover me X). (Though to be sure is also why I asked for a CC if there was one).
I really don't want this to turn into some mass-claiming first day. Yes I'm following genus. I don't really have a good feel for how forum mafia works, and genus has written enough for me to feel like I have a decent read on him, whereas everyone else I don't, and if genus convinces me he is town-sided, then I am willing to follow him while I try to work out my own way of figuring out how to read things in the forum setting.
I feel like I'm walking blind atm.
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Yeah, that is how I knew PPA was legit, because I knew he would use the he thing to cover me X). (Though to be sure is also why I asked for a CC if there was one).
I really don't want this to turn into some mass-claiming first day. Yes I'm following genus. I don't really have a good feel for how forum mafia works, and genus has written enough for me to feel like I have a decent read on him, whereas everyone else I don't, and if genus convinces me he is town-sided, then I am willing to follow him while I try to work out my own way of figuring out how to read things in the forum setting.
I feel like I'm walking blind atm.
Okay, now I'm confused - it's sounding like either PPA and flyby are both legit or both clear, yes? Unless there's a mafia night role thing going on here (flyby hooker confirmed <_<). Damn, it'd be really helpful to know what roles we had.
Who haven't we heard from at all?
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I don't really like the bandwagon on either of them, but I don't see much to make me want to vote elsewhere either. I was going to go for the comedy option of voting for someone random, but I'm not going to take the risk that there's a gallis-type role that I accidentally knock out, so I'm going to settle for voting stefan
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Stefan, the doctor, was brutally murdered by angry townspeople.
Well that was anti-climactic, if you'll excuse the pun.
And SonicAD seals the finishing vote.
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GENUS, THE LYNCHER, WINS!
Yeah, genus owned you bitches old school. Props to him.
First off, here's how night 1 went, because it was pretty LOL.
1. FKE was janned, you all knew that. He was hooked too for some strange and yet weird reason.
2. PPA's claiming of Watcher meant nothing, as the Stalker knew he was the watcher already.
3. The cop had an innocent report on genus.
4. The randomization of genus' lyncher target was hilarious considering the flowchart in the top 10.
5. Yes, there was a mismason.
Now, here's everybody's role!
TOWN:
Villagers (5): 1stkirbyever, Paraxade, Waxwings, Bertin, ieatatsonic
Doctor: Stefan
Cop: flyby
Watcher: PPA
Mason: mike89 (masoned doug)
THIRD PARTY:
Lyncher: genus (target: stefan)
MAFIA:
Hooker: Chao_Fan
Janitor: SonicAD
Stalker: Douglas
Maybe we should start a new one on a more standard mafia type thing?
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Oh are you kidding now.
gg genus
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Oh now that sucks hard. That means I was definitely right to mason :/
And I nearly masoned genus too. That would've made for a hilarious first day.
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I think at least if we are going to not have a typical mafia setup, it would be nice to know what the roles are. I would have been a lot more weary of following genus on a stefan lynch if i knew there was a lyncher out there. <_<
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The three people who got accused on day one were the doctor, cop, and watcher.
oops