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The Lounge => Wikkity! => Topic started by: SadisticMystic on May 19, 2007, 11:58:07 pm
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I thought it would be a nice idea to try one of these and see how well the dynamics go.
My plan is for a 32-member tournament, taking place over the 31 days in July. In order to prevent recruit floods tipping the scales, I suggest restrictions on who gets to cast votes, such as requiring one of the following as of the start of the contest:
* 25 or more forum posts (without an active ban)
* 3000 or more lines in #soniccenter since the last stat reset
* 1 or more untied records on a chart
And if any suspicious accounts show up in the days between the contest is officially announced and July 1, whose only actions are to make 25 content-free posts, they can be conveniently banned and no one has to know why.
Of course, to have a contest between 32 members, you have to know which 32 they are. We can attempt to figure that out here, and when they're decided, it would help if biographies were to be made for the competitors.
I'm going to see if I can develop a scheme whereby TSC usernames can be linked to IRC nicks, and if so, then my bot may be able to keep track of all the votes automatically and in a tamper-proof way. Otherwise, we'll figure something out.
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I call this be called TSC President :)
Either that or Big Brother TSC edition (best Geordie accent on): "Day ayiht in the Big Brootha house. RPG has been monologuing in the diary room for two days now, and Mike89 is accusing SM of stealing his cheese". Err, maybe not.
Also also separate forum for this ftw, keep teh place tidy and all that.
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As if Id monologue in the diary room :O
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Seems like a cool idea. Don't know why, but it reminds me of those character battles from gamefaqs for some stupid reason I can't think of. I think voting in a forum poll might be easier to regulate since your account is already hooked up to TSC. First things first, we need someone to make biographies. Since mike and RPG seem to do so well writing the top tens, I suggest that they do the writing
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What Ive done enough writing already this year <_<
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As if Id monologue in the diary room :O
No, you'd monologue everywhere else. >_>
Also, my views:
1. I hate popularity contests.
2. Anyone listed under (If I had a) Banhammer (with, perhaps, the exception of inactives like Cybrax and CF) should be at least considered.
3. Pretty much anyone else who's regular in the chatroom could be fair game.
Of course I'm just throwing out ideas.
Also, would this be elimination-style (as in each day the user with the fewest votes is eliminated each day) or some weird head-to-head thing?
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Moving this out into the open for everyone to see, so they can give input.
The format of the contest would be a lot like an NCAA bracket: each day two players are put up against each other, everyone who casts a vote for you out of the day's 2 competitors causes you to get 1 point, and at the end of the day, the player with the most points advances in the tournament (loser is out). With 32 players, this means 5 "rounds" before an overall winner is decided.
The aforementioned system for linking accounts between #soniccenter and the site is now in place (see the new field in the user settings page).
Looking through the 17 members on the prominent page:
Rolken - sure
SadisticMystic - sure
Cybrax - do we consider him too inactive, or see if he can get votes on remembrance of the past as an experiment?
F-Man - sure
mike89 - sure
SuperSonic101 - sure
RPGnutter - sure
yoshifan - sure
NintenDan - seems to have lost most of the prevalence he once had; may be worth including just for how long he held dominance on Advance
CosmicFalcon - hasn't been active even in chat as much as he used to be; reaches out to a different (more casual?) demographic which may be interesting to see play out against most of the others
SprintGod - notably silent and likes it that way; what kind of vote-getting power would he have?
oldskoolgamer101 - probably not, given the most recent known history
sonicam - sure
douglas - sure
Spinballwizard - sure
gamersince93 - sure
Psyknux - sure
In any case, it's going to take more names to get to 32. Some come to mind--eredani, Shadow Jacky, GerbilSoft, and is it worth including some less-respected but well-known names such as sonicandamy or Hero Chaos Chao? Let's see how this turns out.
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Cherry?
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If GS is put on the bracket, there shouldn't be a reason I wouldn't be on. And if s&a is on, I had damn well better be on as well.
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I should get started on max RA'ing FR5 on SA2B.
>_>
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Not like I'm popular or anything. And I change mynicks and forget to link them too much on #soniccenter.
I'm too early anyway. Meh.
I'll still watch, though.
EDIT: Sonicandamy should be in so he can get out first round :)
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I definately know I'm not in. Let's see? Hmmmmm........Egg?
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the first thing I thought of was gamefaqs and board 8's MANY polls/contests
eh ok, glad I was mentioned.
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Popularity contest amongst us? Whatever... aren't we all nerds...
Well it's time for me to go into the shadows once again....
/me gets stuck in another wall
Not again...
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I think I'd make an interesting addition. I have this theory that I in fact have a cult-like following wherein a small group of people secretly hang on every word I say, or at least recognize the eloquence with which I express thoughts and the irony inset in every post.
Then again, it is more likely that I lack a cult-like following wherein a small group of people secretly hang on every word I say, or at least recognize the eloquence with which I express thoughts and the irony inset in every post.
In reality, I probably won't garnish many votes, as I regularly insult the demographic with which I would potentially be most popular and contradict myself in the name of popular sport.
I would not be opposed to mass writing biographies as I in fact enjoy writing, especially in the paradoxical style (what I'm intentionally avoiding right now) though SM has priority there.
This will be epic.
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This won't even take long, just a month. Sounds like a good idea to me.
However, I see Rolken winning. As anyone who doesn't vote for him gets the b& :(.
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Are there even enough active members to warrant this?
The way I see it it'd basically be the 32 competitors making the votes.
also I nominate Stefan!
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Anyone with If I had a (ban)hammer status should be considered.
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I would say that Paragod should get in, but this recent stuff is O_o'ing me.
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I would say that too but whatever...
I bet I'd lose first round but I don't think I even have enough chat lines as I can only get on weekend nights... at midnight... barely <_< But I did manage an untied record and 63[edit: 4] posts :D
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Great idea, first of all.
Second, Stefan I agree, I can also see Rolken winning easily.
Third, see me on the list?
I would also recommend SJ, eggFL, Thorn and I also think genus should be added. Also, I'm glad Groudon was mentioned as well. And I shared the same sentiments re: S&a. :P
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gamersince93 - sure
I would also recommend... Thorn...
Um, I'm already there... I could've sworn you've PMed me under both nicks before. Although yeah, if I enter as gs93, I won't get too many votes due to being a nonentity... then again, I'm not on the Sitewides as Thorn, but gamersince93... aw, methinks I might be farked.
PEOLPE WHO LIKE ME, KNOW WHO I AM PLZ. *shot*
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Yeah, I know you're gs93, I just didn't look at the entire list that closely. I just looked for the letter "T" I guess, as if on impulse. :P
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gamersince93 - sure
I would also recommend... Thorn...
Um, I'm already there... I could've sworn you've PMed me under both nicks before. Although yeah, if I enter as gs93, I won't get too many votes due to being a nonentity... then again, I'm not on the Sitewides as Thorn, but gamersince93... aw, methinks I might be farked.
PEOLPE WHO LIKE ME, KNOW WHO I AM PLZ. *shot*
How about gs93/Thorn? :o
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I've drafted a preliminary bracket.
USA DIVISION
1. Rolken
2. yoshifan
3. SadisticMystic
4. gamersince93
5. Shadow Jacky
6. sonicam
7. Stefan
8. stanski
9. Psyknux
10. Quartz
11. GerbilSoft
12. Groudon199
13. Upthorn
14. NintenDan
15. Paragod
16. blueblaze
NON-USA DIVISION
1. mike89
2. RPGnutter
3. eredani
4. F-Man
5. SprintGod
6. SuperSonic101
7. douglas
8. Marth
9. maggot
10. CherryMay
11. CosmicFalcon
12. Zeupar
13. Sonic3Knuckles
14. P.P.A.
15. knuckles_sonic8
16. oldskoolgamer101
This list is open for tweaks in the seeding, or swapping out some names for higher-powered names that were left off. And coming up with sillier names to describe the divisions couldn't hurt.
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How about "God's Chosen" and "The Durka-Durkas"? >_>
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I am morally offended at being seeded lower than mike.
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How 'bout "TEAM SONIC" and "TEAM DARK"?
>__>
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The only problem I see is that some people on the list (sorry PPA, but I'm going to use you as an example - no offense meant) are good people and pretty good competitors but just aren't notable in the community.
I'd try and find a spot for Crowbar. And where's SkyLights from again?
No room for PsyBorg either?
Just throwing out a couple of names - I bet there's a few more. Perhaps the retired brigade - cybrax, Rayku, Zealous etc?
EDIT: actually I'll have a go at tweaking the brackets myself.
USA DIVISION
1. Rolken
2. yoshifan
3. SadisticMystic
4. gamersince93
5. Shadow Jacky
6. sonicam
7. Psyknux
8. stanski
9. Stefan
10. Quartz
11. magnum12
12. SkyLights
13. Spinballwizard
14. PsyBorg
15. NintenDan
16. blueblaze
NON-USA DIVISION
1. mike89
2. RPGnutter
3. eredani
4. F-Man
5. SprintGod
6. CherryMay
7. douglas
8. Marth
9. maggot
10. SuperSonic101
11. knuckles_sonic8
12. CosmicFalcon
13. Crowbar
14. Zeupar
15. shadowgamer196
16. Shadow Wedge
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And with this, I throw Sonicam out for sleeper of the U.S. bracket.
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Awww man im not included in it.
*takes out sonic advance 2 gets the times and submits......*
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/me got fatalitied? :<
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By me, apparently.
I'm going to have to make myself look dumb and ask what on earth this is. =( Do people just vote for people based on who they like, pretty much?
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As far as Im aware
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That's such a silly idea I actually like it.
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And with this, I throw Sonicam out for sleeper of the U.S. bracket.
<_< Hey, don't blame me for having a job and going to school... >_>
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I have no intention of getting past the first round, but I've never even heard of blueblaze... :X
And I meet all the requirements. I'll go instead of him.
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blueblaze is genus.
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Oh...in that case never mind :p
Wait, Genus has a record?
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He had lots >_________>
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Name changes can be confusing. I hadn't known Thorn was gamersince93...
And where am I on the list? I'm never in chat rooms, and hold such respected championships like the recently reclaimed Sonic Jam!!! *bricked*
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^I'll get that back, don't you worry. You knocked me down below RPG on the Sitewides when you did that, no way I'm letting that slide.
Also yeah, I should see if Rolk'll integrate my name as he did with Sondow's.
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blueblaze is genus.
wtf? :O
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You didnt know that? o:
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well you gotta remember I didn't start being more social till after that huge downtime TSC experienced. I'm still learning things that I missed.
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What really
I couldda sworn you were active in chat and such well before then
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rarely I came in chat and the only time I did was because mike would ask me to. another reason was it wasn't as active as it is now.
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Why did mike remove me from the list?
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SJ, I learned it, and I came after the downtime. It's been mentioned before.
Anyhow, I still think either RPG or Mike will win easy.
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Discount backlash votes at your peril, Quartz...
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I love that I am so included despite my inactivity. X)
But y'all may have noticed I am more active in the chatty once again of late. It basically boiled down to a laziness on my behalf of not opening my IRC client.
So uh... Hi. Popularity contest sounds like lol, but sure.
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Put me back in! I have records now! :D
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So about when do you think the actual voting will begin?
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Put me back in! I have records now! :D
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Yeah, well I've had records for over a year. :P
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The script is configured to have voting begin July 1 and continue through every day in July. Everything will be fully automatic, except that the competitors and seeds must be determined and manually entered before then. There's still work to be done on getting a consensus.
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Do you have to get into chat to vote... I'm hoping no.
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Probably.
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Do you have to get into chat to vote... I'm hoping no.
If the site profiles/chat nicks are linked, then I don't see that it's impossible to have site-based voting?
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Yeah, I'm sure site-based voting could work. That would help target a wider range of voters, IMO than isolating it to just chat.
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The problem with mixing voting methods is that I can't really keep them synchronized. The services running on TSC lack an effective method of pushing updates out to me, and having me forward my results to TSC would be more feasible but I'm concerned about mismatched timeservers leading to discrepancies in system time, particularly the time each match begins and ends. There's still 3 weeks to think of a solution to the integration problem, and in my experience that's plenty of time.
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Then stick with the site-based voting, IMO.
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Couldn't we just make this topic a poll?
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The script is configured to have voting begin July 1 and continue through every day in July. Everything will be fully automatic, except that the competitors and seeds must be determined and manually entered before then. There's still work to be done on getting a consensus.
I am on a road trip for the whole of July. It's also my birthday at the start of August, so WINNING would be a nice coming home/birthday present from you guys. That and you don't want RPG to win things, I mean srsly.
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y teh h8 :<
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Obviously because I see you as my biggest rival and I'm starting a smear campaign. You should be flattered, and by flattered, I mean VOTE FOR ME ;)
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USA DIVISION
1. Rolken
2. yoshifan
3. SadisticMystic
4. gamersince93
5. Shadow Jacky
6. sonicam
7. Psyknux
8. stanski
9. Stefan
10. Quartz
11. magnum12
12. SkyLights
13. Spinballwizard
14. PsyBorg
15. NintenDan
16. blueblaze
NON-USA DIVISION
1. mike89
2. RPGnutter
3. eredani
4. F-Man
5. SprintGod
6. CherryMay
7. douglas
8. Marth
9. maggot
10. SuperSonic101
11. knuckles_sonic8
12. CosmicFalcon
13. Crowbar
14. Zeupar
15. shadowgamer196
16. Shadow Wedge
There isn't a great deal of time until this is due to start, so I'd suggest trying to achieve consensus on the list. This is the latest edition of it and there hasn't been a lot of discussion since.
I'd say the upper half of both brackets is pretty much settled, however the lower half requires a bit of thought.
As for division names I am thinking something related to the current fad (Pokemon or Starcraft depending who you ask). Diamond/Pearl? Magma/Aqua? <somebody better versed in Starcraft than I suggest a couple for that>?
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I don't think there's anything that could really be used from Starcraft. There are three main races (Terran, Protoss, Zerg), and none of them really have any dichotomies within them (except maybe Confederacy and United Earth Directorate for the Terrans).
Well I suppose you could just have Protoss and Zerg or something if you want to ignore one race.
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GDI and Nod, surely. Specially if I get to be Kane - you can't kill the Messiah!
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Shit, why did I think of that?
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Separating by fads is a neat idea, though I doubt it will divvy up evenly. I suggest something like Competitors/Idlers/Inactive/Outcasts, though the last two categories wouldn't be filled. Maybe just Competitors/Idlers...though there seem to be comparatively few idlers on the list. Perhaps user levels would suffice, or maybe region would be best for simplicity.
The list of participants also looks solid. As such, I shall glance at this topic from time to time out of curiosity starting July 5.
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Well I just had an idea that maybe we could sort things out with regards to the origination of each fad. However Pokemon is Japanese, Starcraft may as well be Korean, and Toulouse is in France. So, bugger.
I would be inclined to make it the Pokemon and Toulouse divisions. But hey SM is calling the shots.
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You can't really call Pokemon and Starcraft fads since they're still popular even to this day. A fad would be something like "All your base", Leeroy Jenkins, or Chuck Norris jokes.
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There's not much time left to finalize the divisions. My votes go for "Evil Fascists" (US) and "Evil Terrorists" (non-US).
I'd put Paragod in over blueblaze for the 16 seed in Evil Fascists. Shadow Wedge seems like the only potential name worth replacing in Evil Terrorists, and the seeds of positions 14-16 can be shuffled up if it even matters. Does anyone come to mind so that I can start filling in the database?
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Violet!