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Rules Committee topic
« on: June 15, 2008, 11:43:22 PM »
An idea I've been sitting on for some time is to compose a committee who would discuss rules issues, initially to rework the existing rules to make them consistent, but also to discuss new rulings as they should appear. Such a committee would have to have representatives from all kinds of games, so between the members there would be an understanding of everything that TSC covers.

I've thought about it for a while, and here are the five members I want on such a committee: SM, Stefan, Thorn, Douglas, and myself. Should some of the above not accept their positions, I have reserves in mind.

Any such decisions said committee makes will be posted in this topic. However, this forum should still be used to bring things to our attention.
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2008, 11:51:40 PM »
Why not add GS or Rolken?

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 11:53:49 PM »
Rolken is a bser and GS is a furry, just look at his name.
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2008, 09:11:17 AM »
Wait, so you want yourself on this committee?
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 09:23:39 AM »
Yeah sure you'd put yourself on it >____>
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2008, 03:24:01 PM »
Which reminds me, RPG would make a good boardmember too. Also, SJ would be a good board member.

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 03:32:34 PM »
don't know if I'm such a good choice shadowfan >_>
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2008, 05:42:46 PM »
I... accept?

I'll be on vacation without Internet access Wednesday-Saturday though, so nothing will get done right away. >_>
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2008, 05:44:44 PM »
Errr what?  Me?  You mean like be . . . responsible and stuff?  Are you sure that's a good idea?

But srsly, I'm up for that :)  And my first decree is score spamming in adv2 is banned!
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 09:24:41 PM »
Time to bring up the first thing for the rules commitee, though I think this is more of an oversight. The rule regarding double speed shoes is up in the SA2 rules but not in SA. Is this an oversight or is double speed shoes legal again in SA?

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 12:18:43 PM »
magnum: can we wait until it's actually established :p  But srsly, we should have a procedure so that all decisions can be shown publicly, free of clutter and with accountability.

Which brings me to my second point: given the discussion around recent bannings, I propose a similar solution for that.  We should have a group who handle the decision, and a forum where all bannings are listed with the reasons for the bannings so that if people come back and/or contest them it's easier to refer back.  It could be the same as the rules committee, or separate, but either way I think we should have a super-visible procedure that's easy to refer back to.  We could also list ban lengths, although that's a contentious point obviously (a Banhammering is for life, not just for n00bmas).  This is for submissions bannings rather than forum bannings; I think the latter probably doesn't need them.

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2008, 12:51:02 PM »
I agree with douglas.

also there is somehting that has been bothering me with the rules and competition in general...but I'm going to rethink this through before I come off as a bigger idiot >_>
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 05:55:23 PM »
And my first decree is score spamming in adv2 is banned!
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TBH, when I brought up the issue at first, I wasn't sure what the final ruling should be. My first inclination was just to use Time Over, but that was really just a quick fix. And then people became more effective at spring-spamming than I was, and then I got lazy, and... yeah.

Probably something that should be explored. Assuming a topic is made you can expect my expert opinion.

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 03:59:19 AM »
And my first decree is score spamming in adv2 is banned!
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TBH, when I brought up the issue at first, I wasn't sure what the final ruling should be. My first inclination was just to use Time Over, but that was really just a quick fix. And then people became more effective at spring-spamming than I was, and then I got lazy, and... yeah.

Probably something that should be explored. Assuming a topic is made you can expect my expert opinion.

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Personal feelings aside, using Time Over is the sane and sensible thing to do.
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2008, 10:55:52 PM »
For what my two pence are worth, I agree with doug too.

And not just because I am a rockstar at spring spamming <_<
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2008, 03:05:05 AM »
OK, I'm calling the first Rules Committee meeting. I'd like everyone to meet at 11pm GMT on Wednesday (that's 8am for me, 6pm for Thorn/SM, 4pm for Stefan).

If you can't make it, post and I'll get a replacement in.

Items on the agenda include achieving consensus on the rules rewrite, and a possible increase in proof standards.

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2008, 03:08:30 AM »
11pm for doug too? >_>
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2008, 10:46:00 PM »
Can't make it, I have to work. I won't be home until a good 4.5 hours after that time.
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 05:14:35 AM »
OK, I'm calling the first Rules Committee meeting. I'd like everyone to meet at 11pm GMT on Wednesday (that's 8am for me, 6pm for Thorn/SM, 4pm for Stefan).

If you can't make it, post and I'll get a replacement in.

Items on the agenda include achieving consensus on the rules rewrite, and a possible increase in proof standards.
I'll be there, although you haven't yet said where "there" is - new irc channel?  I can has ops? *shot*.  Actually in all seriousness a channel only we have voice but anyone can join and listen is probably a good plan.

Also I take it you're chairing?  Also also can we add discussion of a procedure (and guidelines, hopefully) for banning/unbanning (I think with the KS8 situation in particular this should be prominent)?
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 06:27:44 AM »
That actually is a good idea. I just registered #tscrules, consider that the channel for such discussion. I really didn't want to make another channel, but the idea of setting +m sold me.

Technically speaking, I suppose I am chairing - but with five members there shouldn't be any need for me to exercise any tiebreaking power. What else would I have to do? >_>

Also, RPG's sitting in for Thorn if he agrees to it.

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2008, 07:26:12 AM »
That actually is a good idea. I just registered #tscrules, consider that the channel for such discussion. I really didn't want to make another channel, but the idea of setting +m sold me.

Technically speaking, I suppose I am chairing - but with five members there shouldn't be any need for me to exercise any tiebreaking power. What else would I have to do? >_>

Also, RPG's sitting in for Thorn if he agrees to it.
I wasn't thinking tiebreaking or anything (I'd be disappointed if we didn't reach consensus on things as well), more just from an organisational standpoint - who keeps us on the agenda, who calls time when we're done, that sort of thing.  Maybe set the topic to be the agenda item we're discussing?  iono, just mind dumping here.
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2008, 10:32:02 AM »
I have to work at 4pm and won't be home til at least an hour and a half after. :(

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2008, 06:08:32 PM »
<Rolken> also I am skeptical that live meetings across multiple continents can succeed in the long term :(

that's all really :(

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2008, 06:10:58 PM »
Im sitting in for stefan actually but still >_>
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2008, 08:08:08 PM »
Well, those of us that were around met and got through a reasonable amount in an hour and a half. The main points:

-S+T allowed, including on Sonic Advance
-charts removed: TP-S rings, LW-S rings (SADX)
-creation of a subforum for records of previous bannings to be kept as a reference
-creation of another subforum for the mods to be aware of current situations

And that's about it. I'm not going to make either of the two changes effective immediately because some discussion from the top ranked players of the games it affects should also be invited. But give it a few days and I'll make the changes.

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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2008, 11:04:54 PM »
-S+T allowed, including on Sonic Advance

What exactly does that this mean?
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2008, 04:57:10 AM »
You can play as Sonic and Tails
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2008, 08:24:41 PM »
Soo on sonic 2?
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Re: Establishment of Rules Committee
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2008, 09:57:13 PM »
On every game its possible, providing Tails is controlled by the AI the whole time.
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2008, 10:07:13 PM »
Why hasnt anyone gotten that record for chemical plant yet? Id do it if I had the chance :D.
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