Should we add Brawl? [UPDATE: no]


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Should we add Brawl?

Yes. The game is bloody awesome.
3 (8.8%)
Sure, it somehow is vaguely related to Sonic. Maybe it counts?
1 (2.9%)
Of course, it'll make TSC awesome again.
2 (5.9%)
Yes, for other reasons (explain plz)
0 (0%)
No, there's already a site that does it better. (link plz)
0 (0%)
No, it will hurt TSC.
0 (0%)
Er, what? That makes no sense.
6 (17.6%)
No, it sucks.
1 (2.9%)
No, for other reasons (explain plz)
2 (5.9%)
Somewhat - there should be a Smash subsite
19 (55.9%)

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Offline Rolken

Should we add Brawl? [UPDATE: no]
« on: March 18, 2008, 08:24:58 PM »
So like, Brawl is a totally pro game. And there is a lack of pro games at TSC lately. And brawl rankings could be awesome. Do we want awesome brawl rankings? Plz answer this poll. LIVES HANG IN THE BALANCE.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 08:26:25 PM »
I'm totally pro this. 

WE NEED AWESOME BACK INTO TSC!

if you dont want these rankings added, you dont support TSC.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
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EDIT:  A subsite you say?  I'm down with that. :D
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2008, 08:32:41 PM »
Somehow I get the feeling DsS doesn't want this game to get a chart.
And for what reason? We shall never know...

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 08:41:06 PM »
I'm up for Brawl rankings. I can't wait to see if I really pwn at Kirby and Pokemon Trainer(as for Sonic, he really gets annoying because he's always the fastest to get to the smash ball and his FS is almost a 1-hit KO).
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 08:43:26 PM »
I say it should be added. DsS probably doesnt want it added because.

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2.It will lower him on Sitewide
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 08:43:38 PM »
o_O

If we add SSBB, we should add M&SATOL to be coherent. Anyway, I say no. I don't think SSBB fits as a Sonic related game, and this has been a basic requirement for a game to be added to TSC along years. :(
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 08:47:14 PM »
I whole-heartedly agree Zeupar, well put.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 08:51:55 PM »
Brawl would be a weighty game because of the number of characters...35 characters for most divisions adds up...unless we were to handle this similarly to Sonic Advance 3's unidivision done for the more standard divisions like all star and boss rush. That's the  most sensible way to go, who wants to play through classic mode repeatedly for good matchups as 35 characters, or clear 15 minute melee more than once for the token submission? A few divisions like target test and hrc at least have diversity in strategy, making individual tracking for characters warranted, but otherwise there's no point in forcing competitors to grind through 35 individual and mostly identical charts.

I'd be pro adding Brawl personally...there are event matches (coop possibly), multi man melees, target tests, classic mode scores, all star scores, boss attack...(what's tracked in boss attack), maybe even SubSpace if the scores for each level can't be easily maxed, and it's sufficiently popular that people would actually compete.

The most compelling argument against adding Brawl is that it has little to do with Sonic, which is why there is no good reason not to add Brawl.

As hinted at in one of the poll options...would we track Melee and 64 as well if Brawl gets added, or are we only adding Brawl because it's so popular? I don't think the playerbase will stick to Brawl alone if the option to compete in other smashes becomes available.

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 09:12:22 PM »
I'm against adding this game as part of TSC's rankings. I think the creation of a Super Smash Bros. subsite would be a good idea.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 09:58:12 PM »
Is this a joke? >_>
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2008, 10:27:56 PM »
Is this a joke? >_>

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 11:36:15 PM »
o_O

If we add SSBB, we should add M&SATOL to be coherent. Anyway, I say no. I don't think SSBB fits as a Sonic related game, and this has been a basic requirement for a game to be added to TSC along years. :(
Masolympics should be supposed to have a place here. As for Brawl, makes no sense to me as far as stats competition and as a Sonic game.

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2008, 12:07:04 AM »
Well there is this http://www.cyberscore.net/game-smashbrosbrawl.php

If you have charts here the rule should be only use sonic where possible, lol.

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2008, 05:22:38 AM »
If we added Brawl simply because it has Sonic playable in it, we'd also have to add Christmas NiGHTS, Virtua Striker 3, SEGA Superstars, SEGA Superstars Tennis, and Mario & Sonic at the Casual Games. >_>
...the first one would actually be a good thing and the last one would actually make sense.

EDIT: Also Sonic Gameworld for Pico. WHY DOES THIS NOT HAVE A CHART YET
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2008, 08:37:12 AM »
There isn't enough Sonicy-ness involved with Brawl, therefore it shouldn't be here.  I would say a subsite, but Cyberscore already has it, so big deal.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2008, 09:17:33 AM »
Minus, Cyberscore covers EVERY GAME UNDER THE SUN so it doesn't matter what they do.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2008, 10:34:46 AM »
If it was to just be added to a site, surely TMC would be the intuitive place for it. But that is silly, such an awesome game that everyone wants to play should go on TSC.

I think, given the magnitude of the game as has been mentioned, giving the game its own subsite is not too silly. The categories that are 'games' on the other sites could be game modes, and that way you don't get charts that are too massive due to 35 characters.

On another note, if SSBB is added, should SSB and SSBM be added?
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2008, 11:21:22 AM »
Well there is this http://www.cyberscore.net/game-smashbrosbrawl.php
Adding onto what Pidgey said CyberScore autofails, and according to the Constitution of Infallibility should be ignored at all costs.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2008, 11:21:43 AM »
Can games be shared between different subsites? Like if Smash Bros got its own subsite, could just the Sonic charts also count on TSC?

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2008, 11:26:04 AM »
On another note, if SSBB is added, should SSB and SSBM be added?
Do they have anything to do with Sonic?

Also I noticed I didn't really state my opinion my last post: I'm against SSBB for TSC as it doesn't really have much to do with Sonic and just adding his Homerun/Classic mode/whatever charts seems no good to me.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2008, 11:33:56 AM »
Can games be shared between different subsites? Like if Smash Bros got its own subsite, could just the Sonic charts also count on TSC?
Sharing games between subsites could be done with a bit of reworking. Sharing parts of games between subsites would require a lot of reworking and also be really odd. I think it's better to go all in or all out.
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2008, 12:07:14 PM »
Whether it's added to the main site, or to a subsite, Brawl will bring the awesome back to TSC :D:D:D  I vote yes.

Edit* Also I don't know if it matters or not, but a game like SSBB is sure to bring in new members.  There are so many different things, event times...classic and all-star score, boss times....HRC, mutli-man melee....target test... Brawl NEEDS some charts.

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2008, 01:22:58 PM »
Hey, Brawl subsite kthxbai. >:(
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2008, 02:10:46 PM »
After reading some of the comments, a Brawl Subsite would be a nice. Adding Melee and Smash64 would also work out if added eventually.

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2008, 03:32:01 PM »
Unless I am mistaking, the only reason subsites aren't weighted is because competition isn't developed enough to warrant inclusion on the main site. This is the only logical reason I can think of. To say a subsite game isn't "similar enough to Sonic" to get weighted is duplicitous. In that case they're completely ignoring the variety in Sonic games tracked. Sonic Drift is nothing like Sonic 2; Sonic 2 is nothing like Sonic Adventure; Sonic Adventure is nothing like Shadow, etc. In the vein of "don't include it, it's too different", let's partition 2D and 3D Sonics in weight because they have little in common. Surely we should not penalize players in the rankings just because they aren't good at one type of game.

Brawl has "nothing to do with Sonic", sure, but why does it have to? Everybody agrees it would be beneficial for the site, with deep competition value and the interest group to sustain it, and as previously stated relegating something with so many potential (and more importantly present) competitors to subsite status makes no sense. Why trivialize something this invigorating? Just because we've never given weight to a game loosely involving Sonic before doesn't mean we never should.

In response to PPA and a few others who suggest all games with Sonic and co present deserve tracking on the same grounds: you are overlooking the most important factor of a game's inclusion in a subsite, popularity. If a large playerbase exists then a large playerbase should be allowed to complete. 'Sega Superstars Tennis' doesn't have anywhere near the player pool as Brawl, nor does NiGHTS, and certaintly not Mario and Sonic at the Olympics. On that last point, the standard of trackable games has changed, we no longer add games knee-jerk just because they involve Sonic. Why do you think it took Rivals 2 and Sonic 06 so long to get included? There were serious considerations as to whether they had quality enough to add. If you deem M&S worthy of tracking then convince Rolken it is (taking care not to pester him of course, which will only make you look wheedling and desperate to be amongst a handful of competitors).

In semation: our standards of quality have changed, and while we are 'The Sonic Center', we should not take the car just because it's more familiar than the airplane.


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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2008, 03:36:20 PM »
Hey, no, go to the Brawl Center. ;_;
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2008, 03:44:47 PM »
I think if it does get added, it should be to a new sub site. If any game is added just because it's popular, then TSC is in trouble of losing its unique focus.

As far as I can tell there are no major SSB ranking sites out there, so a Smash Center should end up being very popular, and could attract a lot of new players to TSC as well.

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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2008, 03:45:56 PM »
^Exactly. :)
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Re: Should we add Brawl?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2008, 06:49:02 PM »
I'm made my opinion to rolken, so I won't repeat it entirely.

However,

as a fan of brawl and the smash bros series in general, I say:

this is a really stupid idea that is being acted on in impulse and not thought.

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