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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Sonicspeedruner, Nicur, and R3FR4G
« Last post by drminus on September 06, 2022, 08:52:03 pm »
Weighing in on this being an 8-year speedrunner of SADX. You got a few things wrong in the OP.

Sonicspeedrunner plays on gamecube and records with a cell phone or camera as far as I know, the crop may have been done in editing. I do not think cropping or audio cut outs automatically constitute cheating.

Niczur and Refrag both play on PC Disk and not an emulator. Emulated play is extremely easy to tell as it looks like the Gamecube version. The PC Disk version has many notable visual differences to the Gamecube version.

As for Refrags blinking health bar, I have not encountered that on the PC Disk version. It is a pretty janky programmed game though and I wouldn't be surprised if that was a result of something in the vanilla game. It is designed for DirectX 7 (so early WinXP era?) and is highly likely being ran on Win10 for both competitors. The OS the game was designed for is fundamentally different than the one that users are currently on. However this is speculation and does not definitively explain this. With the PC Disk version you may have to take into account the graphics card, driver version, etc.

I feel that it is up to the runners to weigh in but I highly doubt they will turn their attention to this as they have little to no incentive to do so. I do not think the original allegation is enough grounds for further scrutiny, though.
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Information Kiosk / Re: Subsite Charts Down?
« Last post by SpanielWare on August 30, 2022, 12:07:04 pm »
Just seen that the subsites are back up, w00t, thank you to whoever fix'd.
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Information Kiosk / Re: Video Links/Archiving
« Last post by SpanielWare on August 21, 2022, 02:40:24 pm »
Just to provide an update on this, andy120195 and I (well mostly him) have been combing through videos and just taking screenshots to note what ought to be fixed for each game; here's a repository: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/fghyfymbj4h7f/TSC_Video_Links if anybody would like to check over them, chime in or contribute also that'd be appreciated!
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Sonicspeedruner, Nicur, and R3FR4G
« Last post by SpanielWare on August 18, 2022, 12:36:35 pm »
Thanks for the detailed analysis Zurggriff. I agree Sonicspeedruner's videos look too realistically filmed to be meticulously hoaxed.

Well Niczur was last active on the site yesterday, so he's still lurking but hasn't weighed in on this. I suppose he should replace his stats (and ideally videos for them) performed on a modded version of the game with ones performed on a vanilla version?
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Sonicspeedruner, Nicur, and R3FR4G
« Last post by Zurggriff on August 18, 2022, 02:08:59 am »
The video in question for Sonicspeedrunner looks like the game was displayed on a TV. The camera noticably adjusts to the brightness of the display as seen by the area outside of the display changing brightness. When the display is showing gameplay, the luminosity is high so the camera reduces the amount of light it receives to prevent the display from showing as overexposed and the wall appears dark as a consequence of this. When the display is blank, luminosity is low so the camera increases the amount of light it receives which makes the wall appear brighter. There are stretches of video where screen tearing is visible and the tear is sloped. The display has color bands that appear to bend along a curved display. There is a reflection of a light on the display, which would need to be overlayed if the gameplay was cropped. These effects show up in their other videos with various camera angles and room lighting. Using cropped gameplay would require an unreasonable amount of editing to make all of this work.

I do not have the 2004 PC release and cannot find how higher resolutions affect the HUD, but the blinking health bar in R3FR4G's requires a modification to the game which is not allowed under the Competition Rules 'The original game and all its contents must be preserved and unmodified.' I did not find any exceptions.

Niczur's run appears to be fine.
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Information Kiosk / Re: Video Links/Archiving
« Last post by SpanielWare on August 06, 2022, 10:21:16 am »
Thanks man, really appreciate the enthusiasm to help out and ideas (:

I read and replied to your PM, though not sure if my response went through. I think making a list of broken links for each game and division/character thereof (and noting what to do with them, e.g. remove entirely, or replace with a reupload/updated run) would be the most straightforward approach.

It might be worth making a shared Google doc or something and linking it here, so that nobody's doing redundant work. Whether an admin implements the changes is another story, but at least we'll have a list for comprehensiveness' sake (which we can then post as a forum post too).

You can begin with the classic games if you like as you suggested and I can comb through more modern ones. Of course if anyone wants to lend a hand just let us know!
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Sonicspeedruner, Nicur, and R3FR4G
« Last post by SpanielWare on August 06, 2022, 10:06:25 am »
Okay, well Stellar, do you know if the proportional HUD size changes depending on the native resolution setting? Seems like (as evidenced by the health bar) R3FR4G is using at least a cosmetic mod though which is sus; again it would be interesting to see if this strat can be replicated on the vanilla version (the others' and your time is very close at least).

Well, Niczur last logged in 3 days ago at the time of writing (so if you're reading this dude, we'd appreciate if you could shed some light on this too and explain what config you used). R3FR4G hasn't logged in in a year and a half however, so you'll have to try contact him via YouTube or Twitch (on which he's still actively doing SADX runs).
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Sonicspeedruner, Nicur, and R3FR4G
« Last post by sonicandamy on August 04, 2022, 09:30:34 pm »
Thanks very much for chiming in, yeah I suspected they may just be playing the original PC version.

That just leaves Sonicspeedruner to investigate but I'm not convinced of any foul play here. He's got a lot of other Sonic runs on his channel (also of SA2B and Heroes) going back almost a decade, all awkwardly camera-recorded on the same TV, you can see the gradual improvement and they seem legit.

Not quite, thats not how this works. If you are to believe both of them are using the 2004 PC release then check again here: niczur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE3r4LDbghE look at his HUD closer if the randoms statement is correct than he is using a closer accurate version perfect right? ok now check refrag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIeODuVI-Vo apparently using the same version of the game as the random user said but his HUD is MUCH smaller, thats not possible (plus the health bar is still blinkin man... lol).

"at least 1" has to be bullshit in this situation. let alone speedrunner at this piont
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Information Kiosk / Re: Video Links/Archiving
« Last post by andy120195 on August 04, 2022, 11:41:26 am »
I guess I can do that. I'll DM you for more details.
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Leaderboard Disputes / Re: ATTN: Sonicspeedruner, Nicur, and R3FR4G
« Last post by SpanielWare on August 03, 2022, 08:14:00 am »
Thanks very much for chiming in, yeah I suspected they may just be playing the original PC version.

That just leaves Sonicspeedruner to investigate but I'm not convinced of any foul play here. He's got a lot of other Sonic runs on his channel (also of SA2B and Heroes) going back almost a decade, all awkwardly camera-recorded on the same TV, you can see the gradual improvement and they seem legit.
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