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Title: Race Night 6: Sonic Generations
Post by: flying fox on October 14, 2012, 08:11:39 am
Well last night was another success. Last week we saw Sonic Adventure 2 breaking the largest race number on SRL and we almost did it again with Advance 1 but unfortunately somebody had to drop out at the last moment due to lag issues :(

Anyway from chat on the race channel, turns out people would like to see generations for next Saturday. As this is a very long game and has different goals on SRL, I would like as much feedback as possible on what goal you guys would like.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: sonikkusama on October 14, 2012, 11:41:05 am
well i don't know anything about common goals or whatever since i don't spend much time on srl, but being that it's 3d race night it should probably involve modern sonic levels.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 14, 2012, 12:55:20 pm
I'd like to do a run from a new file personally.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: sonikkusama on October 14, 2012, 02:58:43 pm
i wouldn't mind doing what hyper said. however for me i don't know about skills vs no skills. i kinda get the feeling doing it with skills would put me even further behind in the race. i don't really know what skills to use, and even if i did know i wouldn't know what to do with those skills lol.

doing it from a new file wouldn't be too bad, the bosses and missions would probably add an extra half hour or more to the race for an average player though, and i dunno if people would want to race something that long. of course it might not be too big a deal since wind waker races seem to be popular, which any reasonable goal is probably quite lengthy.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 14, 2012, 03:38:55 pm
I'd have to agree with Hyper. Although I wouldn't mind a full game run although the 2-3 hour story could be a bit tedious for some of our racers.

I'm up for anything really.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 14, 2012, 04:00:51 pm
i wouldn't mind doing what hyper said. however for me i don't know about skills vs no skills. i kinda get the feeling doing it with skills would put me even further behind in the race. i don't really know what skills to use, and even if i did know i wouldn't know what to do with those skills lol.

doing it from a new file wouldn't be too bad, the bosses and missions would probably add an extra half hour or more to the race for an average player though, and i dunno if people would want to race something that long. of course it might not be too big a deal since wind waker races seem to be popular, which any reasonable goal is probably quite lengthy.

Modern = use Endless Boost, Acceleration, Power Brake, Blast Off. For some levels it's better to take out Endless Boost and replace it with stuff like Direct Jump but for a race it's not going to be worth the time to swap skills and this set works really well on every level. Classic = Thunder Shield is a must, aside from that whatever you want since none of the others help all that significantly. I usually like to use Power Brake and Athleticism, personally.

Also, in terms of length, I can run through the game in ~1:20 or so. If you have some idea of what you're doing it shouldn't really take too much longer than that, maybe up to 2 hours or 2:15 or something.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 14, 2012, 04:09:02 pm
To be honest, I don't really think we should include the speed glitch. It zgives an unfair advantage to console compared to PC, and an advantage for those who don't know how to do the speed glitch.

Excuse typos. I wrote this on a bouncey bus back from DC.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 14, 2012, 04:19:57 pm
First off, PC doesn't really have much of a disadvantage, they're missing on a couple minor skips in a few levels but the big stuff like City Escape is entirely doable on PC. Frankly they probably make up for it with significantly faster loading.

Second, "some people don't know how to do it" isn't really a reason to ban something.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 14, 2012, 04:23:26 pm
I'd agree with Lucario on this one. Alot of us don't know how to perform the glitch effectively enough as you or romulo or someone with the better stats. I think we should leave this glitch out of races because it could frustrate people into thinking they must do it because someone else is. If you get me...
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 14, 2012, 04:24:43 pm
....It's hard work? Thanks Werey.

On a different note, how much is it on steam?

Still on a bus
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: flying fox on October 14, 2012, 04:28:33 pm
I checked on steam and it says £20.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: sonikkusama on October 14, 2012, 04:39:05 pm
thanks for the tips umbreon, if i get time this week i might look up some routes and see if i can put endless boost to good use. knowing me i'll put it off until saturday at around 4pm though, lol. i'm personally not opposed to a new file run, since your estimate of 2 hours or so is about what my last playthrough took me. 2 hours to me isn't a huge deal on a saturday, dunno how other people feel though.

for what it's worth, i also don't really think the speed glitch needs to be banned either. i know i can't do it for shit, but from what i've gathered it doesn't make a difference on a lot of levels. as far as i know it's tough to pull off too, seems like it might be unreliable in a race. i don't know though, maybe it's easier than i'm imagining. i also imagine that if i can't do the speed glitch, i clearly haven't practiced very much, and it being banned probably won't make me rank any higher in the race anyway.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: TimpZ on October 14, 2012, 06:21:58 pm
My personal preference would be no skills all acts and bosses (not the emerald ones). Basically because it skips all the bullshit like cutscenes and much of the loading and because it only requires a save file where you've beaten the game.

Otherwise I'd go for new save file too but I really despise most of the missions.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 14, 2012, 07:08:24 pm
for what it's worth, i also don't really think the speed glitch needs to be banned either. i know i can't do it for shit, but from what i've gathered it doesn't make a difference on a lot of levels. as far as i know it's tough to pull off too, seems like it might be unreliable in a race. i don't know though, maybe it's easier than i'm imagining. i also imagine that if i can't do the speed glitch, i clearly haven't practiced very much, and it being banned probably won't make me rank any higher in the race anyway.

Exactly. In almost every level the speed glitch makes little to no difference, the exceptions being City Escape and Chemical Plant. Everywhere else it saves less than 10 seconds total.

I just don't see the logic in this line of thinking. Should we have banned superbounce from the SA2 race because some racers didn't know how to do it? Or maybe we should've banned skipping through the final room of Crazy Gadget? (I say that as someone who participated in that race and did horribly, by the way.)

Like, from my point of view these races are still a form of competition, and part of doing well in competition involves knowing how to compete well. If you don't have that knowledge then your play is going to suffer for it, whether we ban this glitch or not.

edit: One more thing. If anyone wants to try to learn how to do it, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=razLdwI4hpM). Just spend ten minutes learning it, it's pathetically easy to pull off every time with a tiny bit of practice.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 14, 2012, 07:45:35 pm
What I was thinking is get your best profile, and pick some stages to do. We would poll for the stages (please note that I mean both) and we race Classic and Modern for that stage.

Or, we could do "Who can race all of Chemial Plant first?" and we would do Act 1 then Act 2.

EDIT:I meant we do more than one....
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 14, 2012, 07:48:49 pm
Dark Aura, that's the shortest goals in the world. No point. If we're racing generations not from a new file, a race to beat every stage would suffice, in my honest opinion.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 16, 2012, 02:10:15 pm
For simplicity's sake, let's say there are five options here:

1. beat the game from a new file
- beat every main level with both Classic and Modern
  2. with skills
  3. without skills
- beat every main level + bosses with both Classic and Modern
  4. with skills
  5. without skills

My vote still goes for 1.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 16, 2012, 02:13:49 pm
beat main stages only, more than enough time imo.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 16, 2012, 03:49:25 pm
Anything that doesn't require a full game run which means doing challenges aswell.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 16, 2012, 08:11:30 pm
Just one thing I want to ask: Is it okay if we don't use the speed glitch that often? I don't want to lose just because I can't pull off a speed glitch. I can understand Shadow, but the stages would give someone a huge unfair advantage. I am not saying ban it in the race, I'm just asking if it is okay that the participants don't use it much.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Bilan on October 17, 2012, 01:11:35 am
If you got it, flaunt it. There is no reason that "oh guys please dont use this glitch that I cant do" is a valid argument to ban a strategy.

I may actually race in this one, because I haven't played Generations in a while and it's hella fun. I can't do the speed glitch either, I tried for a solid half an hour and didn't even get anything close to it once, but I'm not going to whine that it exists; there's no way I will win so it doesn't matter to me in the slightest.

Also as mentioned on most levels it doesn't even really save all that much time, if you try to do it and fuck it up, what now?

tl;dr d-d-d-d-deal with it

also my vote is for 4/5 as I dont mind whether skills are allowed or not and it doesnt really take that much longer than option 1. option 1 because I'm a numpty and failed at reading.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: SB737 on October 17, 2012, 06:11:47 am
lets play from a new file - and do it single segment style, goal: just beat the game from a new file :)
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: sonikkusama on October 17, 2012, 01:19:51 pm
i had to thing long and hard (lol) about this, anyway i guess my preference would be 1. i think that 2 or 3 would be better for getting non tsc people involved though.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: flying fox on October 18, 2012, 10:16:18 am
From reading the posts regarding the speed glitch, I have decided that it will not be banned.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 18, 2012, 11:52:45 am
Did I vote? If I did, can it not count? I will not be participating in the race anymore. I have Teacher Confrences and a play to watch.  I also need to practice my speed glitch more if it is allowed.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 18, 2012, 02:13:22 pm
There was a poll?
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 18, 2012, 02:17:34 pm
1. new game - 4 (Umbreon, RPG, sonicboom737, sonikkusama)
2. main stages w/ skills - 4 (Werey, Hyper,theultimategamer95, Shadow Jacky)
3. main stages w/o skills - 1 (Hyper)
4. main stages + bosses w/ skills - 0
5. main stages + bosses w/o skills - 1 (TimpZ)

Correct so far? Need more votes still.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 18, 2012, 02:22:48 pm
Wereycar says number 2 please
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: SB737 on October 19, 2012, 04:24:35 am
1. new game - 4 (Umbreon, RPG, sonicboom737, sonikkusama)
2. main stages w/ skills - 2 (Werey, Hyper)
3. main stages w/o skills - 1 (Hyper)
4. main stages + bosses w/ skills - 0
5. main stages + bosses w/o skills - 0

Correct so far? Need more votes still.
looks like we're playing froma new file ;)
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: theultimategamer95 on October 19, 2012, 10:25:43 am
Me votes for number 2
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: TimpZ on October 19, 2012, 11:51:08 am
You missed my vote for 5 apparently
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Shadow Jacky on October 19, 2012, 03:42:20 pm
I vote #2

I don't care about the speed glitch, new game sucks racing it, playing on ps3...whatever option wins out, I'm still racing.  I'm for races getting popular, not an easy win for myself.

I raced with amy in advance 1 for crying out loud >_<
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 19, 2012, 04:24:02 pm
There is something I'm a little concerned about. FF, you said that people in the chat on the Race Channel wanted SG. Isn't that a little unfair to those who couldn't make it? I know this will be shot down, but could we post a topic here first, and see what games the race night participants want to play? I just don't want people to get angry.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Bilan on October 19, 2012, 04:33:08 pm
I know this will be shot down, but could we post a topic here first,a nd see what games the race night participants want to play? I just don't want people to get angry.

(http://i.imgur.com/AIPL5.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/y6XMB.png)
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 19, 2012, 04:37:01 pm
lol all the topics were started by FF. Still, The people in the tace channel chat chose the game to play, not us. Isn't that a little unfair? I mean, I had a family emergancy, and I couldn't attend. Who says this won't happen to other people?
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: sonikkusama on October 19, 2012, 04:40:35 pm
There is something I'm a little concerned about. FF, you said that people in the chat on the Race Channel wanted SG. Isn't that a little unfair to those who couldn't make it? I know this will be shot down, but could we post a topic here first,a nd see what games the race night participants want to play? I just don't want people to get angry.

while a topic might not hurt in the future, i don't think people that can't make it to races should be too upset that they didn't get a chance to vote on it. for those people who wanted to vote i would just suggest making the time to show up for races so you can voice your opinion, and not to be too upset since we'll get to more games eventually. if you have a tendency to not show up for races, people won't care about your vote as much since you're not likely to even show up.

maybe we should just make some sort of random generator to choose the game so people don't feel cheated?
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 19, 2012, 04:42:25 pm
orrrr yknow, you can post in the "games to race" thread. Which you already did.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 19, 2012, 04:46:11 pm
Yes, that's been said to me a hundred times! I get it! Besides, if we let only the people in the chat vote, then we will probably not be able to get to some other games. They might skip over them, while others really want to play them.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 19, 2012, 04:48:25 pm
If it's been said to you a hundred times then why do you still not get it? We aren't voting on games long-term. We ESPECIALLY are not voting on games in the forums. We're going to use a pre-set rotation of games. If you want some say in what games get picked then you post in that thread. That's it.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 19, 2012, 04:49:37 pm
^Might've helped to say that <_<
Not fun being out of the admin loop
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 19, 2012, 04:50:09 pm
It's not the admin loop, I've talked about this publicly on both the forums and in the chat several times. The "games to race" thread is being used to determine interest in every game at which point FF will create the rotation we'll use over the next few months. Whatever method she's using to determine what we race in the meantime until there's more information for the rotation isn't a huge deal.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: DarkAura on October 19, 2012, 04:52:32 pm
The chat I can understand, but it doesn't say that anywhere in thr forums..
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: sonikkusama on October 19, 2012, 04:56:13 pm
well if the game you wanted to race didn't end up being the race night's race, and you want to race it, you can always feel free to challenge other members any time. i'm down for a race whenever i have free time, i'm sure a few other people are as well. soon enough the rotation will be going and everyone will be happy (except hyper)
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Cream147 on October 19, 2012, 04:59:06 pm
Just want to say that this agrement we came to in the after-race chat last week wasn't some anarchistic screw everyone else what do we want to race sort of decision. We looked at what the voting had been like on that games to race discussion to narrow us down to a shortlist which we then chose what we thought would be the best way to conserve race night's momentum from. Everything that gets enough interest in that discussion thread will get a chance. That's why that thread exists.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: flying fox on October 20, 2012, 10:01:54 am
You have two hours left to vote or change your vote. At the moment goals 1 and 2 are tied.
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: flying fox on October 20, 2012, 12:12:54 pm
I have chosen new game. Room will be open in 4 hours time!
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Selphos on October 20, 2012, 01:17:49 pm
So guys, optimum challenges to choose for best time?
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Werey on October 20, 2012, 01:19:59 pm
this
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Bilan on October 20, 2012, 01:25:43 pm
Modern5 for GH
Classic2 for CE
The drift one for SH

tbh most of them Im going to be going on memory as to whether or not they are long/hard/a pain
Title: Re: 3D Race Night 3: Generations
Post by: Parax on October 20, 2012, 01:27:36 pm
The ones I do are

Green Hill Classic Challenge 2 (second one from the left on the lowest platform)
Chemical Plant Classic Challenge 5 (the one at the top)
Sky Sanctuary Modern Challenge 3
Speed Highway Modern Challenge 4 (but 1 is easier and barely any slower, especially if you don't know the glitches)
City Escape Classic Challenge 2 (take the moving platform, jump off at the middle, go all the way left and jump to the top; this one unlocks thunder shield)
Seaside Hill Modern Challenge 5 (first one on the right after you take all of the moving platforms in the City Escape hub)
Crisis City Classic Challenge 2 (flame shield)
Rooftop Run Modern Challenge 4 (endless boost)
Planet Wisp Classic Challenge 4 (this is the Blaze one, shortest challenge in the game)