The website (under character information) HEAVILY implies that the storyline is a direct continuation from Sonic & Knuckles ... therefore strongly suggesting that no existing characters other than Sonic/Tails/Amy/Knuckles/Eggman will appear. Just figured I'd point this out.
* The lack of new badniks means that the game will suck.
* The lack of new badniks means no new bosses, either.
* Sonic's model being a slight tweak of his Unleashed model means that the game will suck.
* Sonic's appearance on the logo means that the game will suck.
* Sonic's model having green eyes means that the game will suck.
* The fact that the graphics are New Super Mario Bros. style instead of Mega Man 9 style means that the game will suck.
* The fact that Sonic Team has to put a 2D game on a modern console at all means that the franchise will die.
* The locked character on http://sonicthehedgehog4.com is actually a new playable character that will drag down the game, even after we were told explicitly otherwise by SEGA.
* Super Sonic won't be playable in all levels, so the game will suck.
* The music we've heard of the game sucks, so all of the music in the game will suck.
* It's just plain impossible to live up to the epicness expected of the name "Sonic the Hedgehog 4", so the game will suck.
"The music sucks. Music was the atmosphere of sonic. The game will thus suck."
* The music we've heard of the game sucks, so all of the music in the game will suck.People think we heard music for the game? BLASPHEMY!
http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicTheHedgehog4/* The music we've heard of the game sucks, so all of the music in the game will suck.People think we heard music for the game? BLASPHEMY!
Well to be fair the trailer music could be in the game. I just highly doubt it since it seems to be unveiling mood music more than anything.
Darned Japanese site hoarding the music >_>http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicTheHedgehog4/* The music we've heard of the game sucks, so all of the music in the game will suck.People think we heard music for the game? BLASPHEMY!
Well to be fair the trailer music could be in the game. I just highly doubt it since it seems to be unveiling mood music more than anything.
I hope thy don't. Using such a Mega Drive sounding music when the game does not look like a game from the console at all and not even like an evolution of one seems just off. (Not to mention this is a very lame tune.)Darned Japanese site hoarding the music >_>http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicTheHedgehog4/* The music we've heard of the game sucks, so all of the music in the game will suck.People think we heard music for the game? BLASPHEMY!
Well to be fair the trailer music could be in the game. I just highly doubt it since it seems to be unveiling mood music more than anything.
Dunno if they'll use that one either but it's much more likely.
My expectations (not "worries", as I don't doubt that they will come true) concerning the game's failure are as follows:
- It's entirely soulless and lacks inspiration, innovation, and identity, as shown in the concept art of the flower and the tree as well as the video.
- The graphics looks like someone resurrected G Sonic/Sonic Blast in Flash.
- SEGA still doesn't "get" the old games.
- Iizuka is making the game.
- The Motobug redesign is not only hideous but even inconsistent with the style of that touched up S2 MZ crab badnik, proving the incompetence of the art direction.
- Why would SEGA after a decade of utter failures suddenly make something that does not suck? They didn't even manage to ever reach the hollow and mediocre but at least decent level of Sonic Advance again!
(Although admittedly Rivals went into that direction again before Iizuka came in and declared it would have to be a racing game.)- They will warm up a few old and spent ideas to try and create what will, assuming it avoids being a catastrophe, be no more than a pale shadow of the old Sonic games. See #1.
I'm amused by Thorn listing all the negligible nitpicking and hasty conclusions from over at lolRetro to make it seem as though such minor things were the only concerns thus trying to shed the sceptics in a bad light, while leaving out more serious worries.
1. Many different teams have worked on Sonic games in the past dozen of years, from Dimps over SoA to Backbone and whoever else. None of them have delivered satisfying products, and Iizuka who has in the past screwed up many a game is also back, making it unlikely that this will be any different. Unless they made AM2 make a Sonic game I guess, but that's quite unlikely.My expectations (not "worries", as I don't doubt that they will come true) concerning the game's failure are as follows:
- It's entirely soulless and lacks inspiration, innovation, and identity, as shown in the concept art of the flower and the tree as well as the video.
- The graphics looks like someone resurrected G Sonic/Sonic Blast in Flash.
- SEGA still doesn't "get" the old games.
- Iizuka is making the game.
- The Motobug redesign is not only hideous but even inconsistent with the style of that touched up S2 MZ crab badnik, proving the incompetence of the art direction.
- Why would SEGA after a decade of utter failures suddenly make something that does not suck? They didn't even manage to ever reach the hollow and mediocre but at least decent level of Sonic Advance again!
(Although admittedly Rivals went into that direction again before Iizuka came in and declared it would have to be a racing game.)- They will warm up a few old and spent ideas to try and create what will, assuming it avoids being a catastrophe, be no more than a pale shadow of the old Sonic games. See #1.
I'm amused by Thorn listing all the negligible nitpicking and hasty conclusions from over at lolRetro to make it seem as though such minor things were the only concerns thus trying to shed the sceptics in a bad light, while leaving out more serious worries.
I'm amused by you thinking your concerns are any more relevant. Every point you made rests on:
1. Clearly all of the same people that worked on shit one year are working on it the next. These people's views of a good game are set in stone and unable to change, so the shitstorm will continue ad infinitum.
2. I don't like the art direction, so clearly nobody can like it.
I'm also amused that you think I was making it out that these were the only concerns. In case you haven't noticed, it was largely a joke list of the more ridiculous concerns expressed to make it impossible for Crowbar's prediction to come true. I am even farther amused by your belief that only Sonic Retro is talking like this. I'd say more, but I have two feet of snow to shovel through, so... yeah.
I'm amused that everyone seems to think that 2-3 seconds of footage from a beta version of the game is enough to decide that it's going to suckIt's not. But twelve years of mediocrity, disappointment and failure is.
^ If you've been disappointed with the series for twelve years, it's hard for me to imagine that you'd be hanging in Sonic communitites. I can only assume that there's something you continually like about the series, because there's no other reason you'd continue to return to this supposed abuse.I stick around because of the people. TSC I'm barely active again now that a large part of it has left and me having abducted a few of the cooler people into my own channel, but for example The GHZ I still enjoy being a part of due to the colourful people and the wonderful sarcasm and cynicism.
Not just Dimps (http://meodia.com/news/692/sonic-3-level-designer-is-working-on-sonic-4/).
S2 level design > S3&K level design amiriteNot just Dimps (http://meodia.com/news/692/sonic-3-level-designer-is-working-on-sonic-4/).
finnaly, good damn news. I love S3&K so much, and if the level design is similar, I can't wait.
I really hope SEGA don't screw it this time, I really do. If it does, I think it will be the end for sonic.
S2 level design > S3&K level design amiriteNot just Dimps (http://meodia.com/news/692/sonic-3-level-designer-is-working-on-sonic-4/).
finnaly, good damn news. I love S3&K so much, and if the level design is similar, I can't wait.
I really hope SEGA don't screw it this time, I really do. If it does, I think it will be the end for sonic.
That said, S3&K has great cohesion and this is indeed good news.
Hey they should totally get Michael Jackson to help work on the sound track aga-....oh right...Maybe we could teach DsS to dance, bleach his skin, screw up his nose and not say the last thing on this list for decency reasons, then he can write the soundtrack.
I always wanted a new old school Sonic game.