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Sonic Central => Leaderboard Disputes => Topic started by: yse on February 15, 2009, 01:30:22 am

Title: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: yse on February 15, 2009, 01:30:22 am
A few folks (including myself) would like an explanation of how this (http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_rush/times/mirage_road_1/sonic) time goes down by 22 seconds. Especially by "following skylight's video".

Failure to supply at the very least, a strategy, will probably see this and your other Rush times removed in short order.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 09:53:33 am
i can get a pic if thats what ur after
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Maru Kiba on February 15, 2009, 10:01:44 am
Yes plz, and if it isn't enough do you know what strat you used?
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 10:18:16 am
mostly i followed skylights vid, and skipped a few of the springs, if u want more detail, just say, ill go get my camera
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 10:59:23 am
This is the pic
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fastnaturedude on February 15, 2009, 11:02:10 am
This, kids, is why people should buy good cameras.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 11:03:42 am
lol. Soz bout that, can u see though that im not lyin
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: EngiNerd on February 15, 2009, 11:28:19 am
Dude, I can't see ANYTHING in that photo.  Abort/Retry/Fail
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Magnezone on February 15, 2009, 11:28:43 am
You'll have to do better than that. "I just skipped a few springs" doesn't cut it. You need to divulge in detail whatever you really did to cut 20 seconds off.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 11:37:22 am
kk. the first thing i did was skip the spring at around 5 secs by turning immediately and jumpingr into the gap at the top. The 2 zip wire things i skipped by jumping just before and I skipped the spring at 0 24 secs. I skipped the spring at 2:03 by using a high jump and reached the goal ring. I think thats it and i also did some more stuff that i cnt remember
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 11:39:43 am
o  yh and in the pic, u can see 1 45. Hard to see the 72 but thats cause of the camera
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Magnezone on February 15, 2009, 11:50:42 am
I already knew about the things you mentioned, and they do not save you 20 seconds.

I have my own theory about what you did, and it isn't honorable/legal. Care to divulge what you really did before I begin?
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Parax on February 15, 2009, 12:00:19 pm
Still waiting on that wi2 video. It should've been done uploading a few days ago. >_>
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Brian on February 15, 2009, 12:26:37 pm
Can't you remember what you did even if you play the stage again dude? xD

*shot*

You need to provide some proof anyway, just make a video showing your strats, even if you can't do them as fast as you did before.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Magnezone on February 15, 2009, 12:34:09 pm
An explanation of what he did is more than enough. It will allow other people, such as myself, to confirm whether or not a strategy is reasonable and valid.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: finalrush7_ on February 15, 2009, 01:18:21 pm
Photo might be bad, but at least you can somewhat see the 1:47:xx.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Maru Kiba on February 15, 2009, 01:36:29 pm
I can see it just fine: I see 00:14:72. As I keep looking at it. You can make the picture bigger by clicking on the picture (Not link) or make it larger in MS Paint
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Groudon on February 15, 2009, 01:50:59 pm
I see 00:14:72.

Are you looking at the same picture that the rest of us are?
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Selphos on February 15, 2009, 01:51:43 pm
Um. Nightmuse, I think you read a couple digits wrong >_>

Yes, we can see the picture. Yes, it is (barely) legible. But it's not 14 seconds, it's 1 minute 47 seconds. <_<

EDIT: Er, yeah, what Groudon said.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Maru Kiba on February 15, 2009, 02:13:55 pm
Um. Nightmuse, I think you read a couple digits wrong >_>

Yes, we can see the picture. Yes, it is (barely) legible. But it's not 14 seconds, it's 1 minute 47 seconds. <_<

EDIT: Er, yeah, what Groudon said.
I read it right, I typed in 14 instead of 45. Yeah it is 1:45:72. I looked at a bunch of times. I even put it in MS Paint and made it larger and it is a 45:72
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
the important thing that i say, is that you can see 1 40. I will post the strat and mayb a vid. Skylights, u thought i did somethin, wat was it
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Magnezone on February 15, 2009, 02:30:29 pm
The only way you can potentially cut off 20 seconds from Mirage Road 1 with either character is if you do it illegitimately. First you would need to avoid taking the trolley that you would begin riding about halfway through the level, which is in one of my Youtube videos. The problem now becomes how to get over the massive gap in between you and the spring at the end of the trolley section.

The only possible solution is to use an Action Replay device to give yourself the ability to moonjump. But of course you knew that.

Quote from: fireboy
I skipped the spring at 2:03 by using a high jump and reached the goal ring.

You can't skip that spring otherwise. Sonic and Blaze don't jump high enough normally.

And another thing. Your DL1 Sonic score is 123xxx. Here's how the math works:
85000 max for time bonus.
20000 max for trick bonus.
10000 max for speed bonus. (you did not max this because the last x is not a 0)
That would leave about 8000 extra points for your ring bonus, meaning you collected at least 800 rings. The only problem here: it's impossible to get that many rings in this level! The level does not have more than the 519 possible using the best possible ring collection route.

Any last words?
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Selphos on February 15, 2009, 02:31:59 pm
the important thing that i say, is that you can see 1 40. I will post the strat and mayb a vid. Skylights, u thought i did somethin, wat was it

(http://www.court-records.net/rips/bubble-objection.gif)

o  yh and in the pic, u can see 1 45. Hard to see the 72 but thats cause of the camera

Notice that he mentions the same picture, but cuts off 5 seconds from what he previously said the picture was?

I sense a contradiction.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 02:34:21 pm
yh i thin i miss typed that. It should be 113. Also, what is action replay, is it lik R4 with cheats
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 02:35:46 pm
i meant that u guys cud see 1 and 4 defientely in the pic even though i no its 1 45 72.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Selphos on February 15, 2009, 02:38:10 pm
Still, how does that move the time from 1:47 to 1:45 to 1:40?
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: fireboy on February 15, 2009, 02:46:23 pm
wen did i say i got 1 47
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Magnezone on February 15, 2009, 03:02:47 pm
If you mistyped 123xxx as 113xxx then it wouldn't be a record and you wouldn't need absolute proof that a better record was made, now would you?

You can't keep up this charade forever. You hide from behind your fuzzy picture that merely proves your unwillingness to cooperate. You refuse to give a meaningful description of what you did in Mirage Road 1 besides a couple of springs you jumped over. In asking what an Action Replay is, "is it an R4 with cheats", you pretty much say that you have an R4, which can be google'd very easily to find that it has Action Replay functionality inside of it.

You are a liar.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Bilan on February 15, 2009, 04:46:33 pm
I was about to point out R4 has built in cheats, I dont know exactly -what- cheats it has built in for Rush, though.
Title: Re: ATTN: fireboy
Post by: Groudon on February 15, 2009, 05:03:36 pm
Well, AR has 2 moonjump cheats (one for each jump button) and an infinite boost energy cheat, so R4 probably has those as well.