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The Lounge => Wikkity! => Topic started by: Taco on February 11, 2009, 03:52:32 am
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too bad I can't access the site while using it (since it's unregistered tehnically)
srsly guyz, this stuff is awesome. I hate vista so much but I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Windows 7. Everything runs better, it doesn't take up as much processing power as silly vista, AND its got cool sets of desktop images that like change every 5 minutes to a set theme!
so screw vista and xp, and definitely screw gerbil and his silly linux!
Go download and beta test Windows 7 NAO!
oh wait, actually I just checked the site and they closed the download to the public...but you should still try and find a way to obtain it....somehow. IT IS MOST DEFININGLYINGLY WORTH EVERYTHING EVER MADE EVER!
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i heard of Windows 7. Wasn't that originally called Windows Mojave? Well isn't the beta version out now, but the real version doesn't come out for another 9 months! Can you show us what it looks like for those who never heard of it.
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unfortunately for microsoft i have touched linux for more than 2 minutes and that was long enough to realize how much i was suffering
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i heard of Windows 7. Wasn't that originally called Windows Mojave? Well isn't the beta version out now, but the real version doesn't come out for another 9 months! Can you show us what it looks like for those who never heard of it.
Mojave was a rebranding of Vista to try and show that people's negative perceptions were unfair, and it's true. A fresh, fully-patched install of Vista is pretty comparable all-round to Win7. 7 has better gadgets, slightly improved UAC and quicker startup time, but performance, third party support, driver models - the things that matter to me - are the same.
The reason 7 will be lauded and Vista reviled has much more to do with the passage of time. At launch, Vista drivers were shaky, apps were broken and performance wasn't terrific - now those things are fixed (or as much as they will be in 7 as well), the only thing left is the "zomg vista sucks" mindset imprinted on people. That's what 7 is for, really - it strikes me as today's Win98 SE.
Personally I'm still happy with my custom stripped-down version of XP/Ubuntu dual boot (and it's amazing how much more productive I am in Ubuntu with it's betterness and without Football Manager!). I'll upgrade when I have a compelling reason to (and if/when I bother with kde for windows, that may well be never).
My 2 cents, YMMV.
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png)
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too bad I can't access the site while using it (since it's unregistered tehnically)
Get any browser except IE so that you can set it to Vista compatibility mode, and you can get here. That's what I'm doing with Firefox and 7 at the moment, anyway. :P
oh wait, actually I just checked the site and they closed the download to the public...but you should still try and find a way to obtain it....somehow. IT IS MOST DEFININGLYINGLY WORTH EVERYTHING EVER MADE EVER!
Yeah, the public download was until February 10th, and the beta expires August 1st. I'm running 7 on a wimpy 10 GB partition, but I love it and will likely allot more space for it.
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png)
I believe that is a perfect example of people simply hating Vista for no real reason at this point.
Also, the irony in PPA posting a godwin is thick enough to cut with a chef's knife
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png)
I believe that is a perfect example of people simply hating Vista for no real reason at this point.
Also, the irony in PPA posting a godwin is thick enough to cut with a chef's knife
My last name is Adolphs, I'm German and I can actually imitate Hitler quite well. FFFFFFFF
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My point exactly.
coughnazicough
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Plus I kind of have similar ideas to his when it comes to representative architecture (huge and intimidating). I don't share his taste for Roman styled buildings however. Well, and neither that whole anti-Semitism thing, of course.
EDIT: Oh, and yeah, that copy of Mein Kampf I have lying around, which used to belong to my late great-grandfather. THIS IS ALL VERY BAD
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My reason for hating Vista is it worked my out-of-the-box computer so much for no reason for the 9 months I had it, even when I turned off a ton of the crap it came with. I am pretty sure it blew up my video card as google spoke to me that Vista would use some other driver instead of the official nvidia drivers that it was supposed to be using in the first place, in which I then learned how something about SP1 made nvidia's drivers quite forsaken when it came to my computer. After my hard drive broke two months later, I decided that was a pretty good opportunity to rid my life of Windows Vista.
Thus, Ubuntu with Windows XP if I need it. >_>
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How exactly does one get ubuntu while still having a windows OS on it?
Relatedly one of the primary reasons I don't want ubuntu is because you all know I'm a gaming freak and from my experience, many MMOs and emulators and such don't work properly on most linux builds >__>
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How exactly does one get ubuntu while still having a windows OS on it?
Relatedly one of the primary reasons I don't want ubuntu is because you all know I'm a gaming freak and from my experience, many MMOs and emulators and such don't work properly on most linux builds >__>
http://www.virtualbox.org/ + copy of windows xp = windows in a prison
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http://www.virtualbox.org/ + copy of windows xp = windows in a prison
Or a partitioned dual-boot, or VMWare, or WINE, or so forth....
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Necessary bump for the release candidate (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx).
Also, if you're interested and don't care to abandon TSC for the next year, my last post (http://www.soniccenter.org/forum/index.php?topic=4096.msg44095#msg44095) will likely be helpful.
EDIT: See next post.
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Gerbil said he's taken that Win7 check off.
Also there's a Ubuntu installer that works from within Windows, dual boots and plays nicely in general. I think it's called Wubi? Maybe.
Also as a Vista user I am interested in this Win7 thing but I think I will wait until others describe their experience with it :(
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Windows 7 is the best soda ever made.
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The release of the RC is nicely timed for me as I will finally be getting a new computer within the next couple of weeks, and not having to pay for an OS means I can spend more on parts.
I haven't tried it myself, yet, but I've heard nowt but good things about the beta so hopefully the RC will be even better.
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png)
You just won this thread!
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So I have my new computer with Windows 7 now.
Overally it seems pretty good so far but one major flaw is that I can't use anything but 4x3 display resolutions!
Windows updates, driver updates, and even downloading an application to force it have all achieved nothing. Not that I expect it but does anyone have any ideas? Monitor is a Samsung 2232BW and GFX is ATI Radeon HD4770.
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^ Unfortunately all I can tell you is what you've already done: check the manufacturer's website for your graphics card and double-check that there aren't drivers you could download. The same thing happened to me back with the Windows 7 Beta, but grabbing the drivers for my NVidia GeForce Go 6150 (lol old laptop) fixed it.
This does remind me that I should grab the Windows 7 Release Candidate now. I'm just not sure if I'd have problems getting the touchscreen working on another OS.
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Yeah, sadly this seems to be something that people get alot (even in Vista, actually). Argh. Given my profession it's pretty fucking stupid.
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a lot of people say that W7 is better than Vista, and I can easily see that being true...
but is W7 better than XP? (Also, when my box broke about a year ago, I picked up Knoppix (which allowed me to actually boot the computer, as windows was having problems with a busted HDD), installed another HDD I had laying around, stuck Ubuntu on it and LOVED it. I was only a little sad that the computer wasn't powerful enough for what I needed it for, and as such, on this box, I'm running XP.
I'll have dual-boot set up once I get a new box, but sadly, I'm not sure when that'll be...
OSS FOREVER!
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FUCKING FIXED IT YES
Found some random forum post that suggested manually pointing it to the driver file on the CD and it worked! My new computer is now FULLY GLORIOUS
Specs because I just that chuffed that I actually put this together today and it actually works and now I FINALLY don't have to put up with a gimped computer anymore like I have been for the past 4 years!
InteL Core i7 920 2.66Ghz (I will OC this when I feel the need and have the confidence).
6gb DDR3 1600mhz Corsair RAM (this is technically incompatible with the motherboard as it doesn show up under the Computer properties, but it's definitely performing)
Radeon HD 4770 graphics
Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4 motherboard
1TB Samsung Spinpoint HD (was going to get a Raptor for OS drive but they're not actually any faster than this)
Antec Truepower New 650W PSU
Old Sony DVD RW drive I took from a spare dinosaur computer
All in an Antec 300 case
Awesome. It's amazing just being able to watch HD Youtube videos!
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a lot of people say that W7 is better than Vista, and I can easily see that being true...
but is W7 better than XP? (Also, when my box broke about a year ago, I picked up Knoppix (which allowed me to actually boot the computer, as windows was having problems with a busted HDD), installed another HDD I had laying around, stuck Ubuntu on it and LOVED it. I was only a little sad that the computer wasn't powerful enough for what I needed it for, and as such, on this box, I'm running XP.
I'll have dual-boot set up once I get a new box, but sadly, I'm not sure when that'll be...
OSS FOREVER!
The RC is definitely better than Windows XP. I'm now running the 64 bit RC full time, and although my graphics card driver is crashing more than I like (not taking the whole machine with it ftw, user-space drivers at last!) - in-app performance comparable to XP (unlike Vista when it came out), boot time/general responsiveness is excellent, Aero Peek is a really neat feature, UAC is done properly this time, etc etc.
Yes, Linux has done most of that for a long, long time, and I work almost exclusively in Ubuntu, and 7 is essentially a polished version of Vista, but it's at a point where it's an easy choice for me to ditch XP.
Edit: forgot to mention that the taskbar model is the best one out there bar none, and this comes from a serious Gnome fanboi.
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Also I'm actually really impressed by how fast it shuts down, lol. Takes literally seconds.
One thing to note about Windows 7 is that it's actually specifically designed to work well on low-spec systems (e.g. netbooks) too, so even if your computer's ancient you should consider at least giving it a go.
On a side note, does anybody know how to make the Start Menu Programs rollout behave like it did before?
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I may look into it. I really need a new graphics card before any real nonsense happens.
and coming from a gnome fanboy, huh? seems pretty good, on just that
I need more stuffs, because the lack of stuffs makes me a little sad...
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Okay, one thing I've found: using wireless internet is an absolute nightmare, at least on the 64-bit version. I was able to get my RALink card to work with alot of fiddling, but trying to use torrents will COMPLETELY freeze my computer, and after a few rounds of this I had to actually reinstall the OS from the disk.
I found out that it was the card so I'm using an ethernet cable through my window to the router downstairs (though I now can't even reinstall the drivers for the card). However, several hours of Google reveals that people having been having these problems since Vista 64-bit. Basically, NOBODY FUCKING MAKES RELIABLE 64BIT DRIVERS FOR PCI WIRELESS CARDS!!!!
Currently wondering if my housemates would mind an ethernet cable snaking round the entire house. Or wondering if a wireless bridge would work.
None of this will mean anything to you if you're not in a situation where you need to use wireless, or plan to use the 32-bit version, but there it is.
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Basically, NOBODY FUCKING MAKES RELIABLE 64BIT DRIVERS FOR PCI WIRELESS CARDS!!!!
Linux wireless drivers work reliably on 64-bit. :)
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Hush you.
I'm still not ready to be that much of a nerd yet.
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I have to agree with Gerbil here >_>
I highly recommend dual-boot, and I'm seriously considering running dual-boot if for nothing more than an improved connection due to more efficient drivers, because my windows drivers are just generic drivers, and my wireless card is capable of so much more.
I'd have something like this for torrents and the like, of course,
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I already hooked up a wired connection so fu lol
Anyway, while I'm sure dual boot is great for some people I am far, far too impatient for shit like that, and OS emulators/virtualboxes.
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I would swap before I head to bed, and use it to check my universe (read: E-mail, YT, TSC, SDA, TASVideos, Backloggery, and Mayatut boards) before switching back to Windows for gaming.
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My attention span while using a computer is far too short for that. I switch around what I'm doing alot. I'd want to check forums or email quickly after a short while.
Proof of this is in the fact that I originally started typing out that reply, then got bored and closed the window.
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Totally writing this post while in Firefox in Ubuntu.
Regardless, I find it kinda sad that I can't find a way to fix so many of the problems of the universe, even when running Linux...
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I know this is old, but I still wanted to say it:
Basically, NOBODY FUCKING MAKES RELIABLE 64BIT DRIVERS FOR PCI WIRELESS CARDS!!!!
Linux wireless drivers work reliably on 64-bit. :)
Hey GS! Ever consider getting a tablet?
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WINDOWS 7 ROX MY SOX!!! BECAUSE I NO LONGER HAVE VISTA!!!!!!!!!!
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Upgraded to Windows 7 and downgraded the same day due to a multitude of issues with the common apps I run.
Decided the better option was to run a dual-boot (see my last post) with XP and the most recent Ubuntu, building great reliability, regardless of what I'm doing.
DirectX is the industry standard for gaming on PC since Blizz picked it up for Diablo 1. Linux doesn't have proper Direct X stuff... yet... but once they do, Microsloth dies.
On the other hand, Ubuntu has the power and compatibility I need so that I can wreak havoc in what little Highspeed connection I have.
Until something does both, Dual-boot works for me ^_^
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What apps, exactly?
Despite my problems with wireless internet, I've had very little trouble with any applications.
TBH, judging from my own research into and experience on the matter, any problems you had may well date back to Vista. Windows 7 is compatible with almost anything Vista is.
Also 32-bit or 64-bit?
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Linux doesn't have proper Direct X stuff... yet... but once they do, Microsloth dies.
WRONG
Moar liek, teh industry needs to grow a few more brain cells and realize that OpenGL >>> DirectX in, I dunno, pretty much every possible way. And it would definitely make programming a bit easier....
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What apps, exactly?
Despite my problems with wireless internet, I've had very little trouble with any applications.
TBH, judging from my own research into and experience on the matter, any problems you had may well date back to Vista. Windows 7 is compatible with almost anything Vista is.
Also 32-bit or 64-bit?
Uh... yeah... duh.
32-bit Ubuntu
And I would never touch vista... I was testing if W7 was better than XP... and guess what?
for me, it's not even close... XP > W7 because older stuff doesn't run on W7/Vista...
whatd'ya know... W7 has the same problems as Vista, for me!
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^ You should look into the virtual XP that'll be coming with high-end 7 editions, then...?
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Necessary bump.
Yesterday, the XP/Vista discount upgrade program began. Many places are cutting people a huge discount on Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional if they purchase within a limited time (through July 11th, I believe). It's $50 for Home Premium ($70 discount), $100 for Professional ($100 discount), and most places offer free shipping on both.
Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat185500050009&type=category)'s pre-order page
NewEgg (http://promotions.newegg.com/Microsoft/Windows7/PreSale/index.html?cm_sp=Homepage_Top_Right-_-Windows7/PreSale-_-http%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fMicrosoft%2fWindows7%2fPreSale%2f362x130.jpg)'s pre-order page
Windows 7 will be released on October 22, a good ways away from now, but seeing how cheap they are on pre-order, it's worth looking at now.
...my god, I sound like one of the spammers we just banned. :P
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^ You should look into the virtual XP that'll be coming with high-end 7 editions, then...?
If thing A works, and thing B emulates thing A, but thing B does things that are directly wasteful, and thing B costs more + has setup time, why get thing B?
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Because support for XP will fade over time, and sticking with anything outdated simply because you refuse to change is just silly.
Windows 7 doesn't do anything "wasteful" compared to XP. In fact, it has many new or improved features, some of which are incredibly useful (I seriously don't know how I coped without the new taskbar, Start Menu, and Libraries). You just don't know any of them because you're refusing to try it.